Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution - Page 32

skylark · #**466** 03-01-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

I have made very clear that I have the utmost respect for women.

Except for the sorostitutes?

DSTCHAOS · #**467** 03-01-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

You can't see em, but there are croakies on those shades too.

I'm a stunner.

DSTCHAOS · #**468** 03-01-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

Except for the sorostitues?

Reason #2 of why he shouldn't have bothered explaining.

UGAalum94 · #**469** 03-01-2008, 07:10 PM

I don't much like the term sorostitute, but I'm afraid it's almost so standard as slang on some campuses for any sorority woman that I'm not sure that alone means much about someone's individual attitude towards woman.

skylark · #**470** 03-01-2008, 07:29 PM

Awesome reasoning, there. I'll be sure to analogize next time I hear someone use a racial slur. Just slang, right?

macallan25 · #**471** 03-01-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

Awesome reasoning, there. I'll be sure to analogize next time I hear someone use a racial slur. Just slang, right?

You're equating a racial slur to the term "sorostitute"?

It's a made up term. Everyone knows it's a joke.

SWTXBelle · #**472** 03-01-2008, 07:54 PM

Um, all terms are "made up", at least at first. It's actually an example of a portmanteau word -(originally defined by Lewis Carroll) two words combined to make a third incorporating the definitions of the two original ones. It's not funny. It's demeaning, and it's offensive - given the definition of one of the words.

But maybe I'm over-reacting - so, fellow greekwomen of GC - is it a joke, or offensive?

Elephant Walk · #**473** 03-01-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

You're equating a racial slur to the term "sorostitute"?

It's a made up term. Everyone knows it's a joke.

Logic is not needed for the close-minded like her.

Just let the sheep be.

UGAalum94 · #**474** 03-01-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

Awesome reasoning, there. I'll be sure to analogize next time I hear someone use a racial slur. Just slang, right?

I don't think it's the same at all. Sorostitute is nothing like a racial slur. Even if we were going to assume that the term was considered a slur by the group described, which as weird as I think it is: I'm pretty sure that some greek women use the terms themselves affectionately, it wouldn't equate with using an offensive terms for a whole race.

It might be a slur to women who elect to be Greek, but it's no reflection on women generally who are not Greek.

You're welcome to be offended by it and think it's a reflection on the users, but it's probably not going to be a reliable indicator of a guy's view on women and maybe not even his view of sorority women.

SWTXBelle · #**475** 03-01-2008, 08:02 PM

If a man uses the term, I don't see how anyone could believe he holds a high regard for women. Any women, greek or no.

It is like a racial slur in that it is deliberately demeaning - reducing women to sex objects. If I were to refer to a dark minority member as a "Sambo", he would be rightly offended, because I have reduced him to a stereotype. If indeed other women use it, it doesn't make it any better than minorities using racial slurs affectionately or as a joke. Some women will refer to others as c**** - I think that's wrong, too.

So the score - Offensive - 2
Not offensive, hey, it's joke - 1

eta - hey, how many of you fraternity men object to the term "frat" - a far less loaded term?

Elephant Walk · #**476** 03-01-2008, 08:06 PM

Why is this being talked about on "Biggest (Fraternity) Rush mistakes at any institution"...create your own thread, jesus.

UGAalum94 · #**477** 03-01-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

If a man uses the term, I don't see how anyone could believe he holds a high regard for women. Any women, greek or no.

It is like a racial slur in that it is deliberately demeaning - reducing women to sex objects. If I were to refer to a dark minority member as a "Sambo", he would be rightly offended, because I have reduced him to a stereotype. If indeed other women use it, it doesn't make it any better than minorities using racial slurs affectionately or as a joke. Some women will refer to others as c**** - I think that's wrong, too.

So the score - Offensive - 1
Not offensive, hey, it's joke - 1

I'm not saying it's not offensive. I'm just saying that because we're offended doesn't actually mean that a person using the term feels what you are assuming he does.

Jokes can still be offensive.

ETA: And I apologize in advance for this example: I think it's sort of like using the word "bitch" or "bitches" especially when it's used in the sense that Tina Fey used it on Saturday Night live recently. Sometimes its use will be predictive of someone's attitude towards women or a particular category of women; other times, it's going to be used humorously by people who hold women in high regard. I'm afraid that "sorostitute" because it's so commonly used, especially in jest, doesn't reveal as much as maybe we'd like it to.

SWTXBelle · #**478** 03-01-2008, 08:09 PM

Maybe using "sorostitute" is a big rush mistake.

Back on topic.

TSteven · #**479** 03-01-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

If a man uses the term, I don't see how anyone could believe he holds a high regard for women. Any women, greek or no.

It is like a racial slur in that it is deliberately demeaning - reducing women to sex objects. If I were to refer to a dark minority member as a "Sambo", he would be rightly offended, because I have reduced him to a stereotype. If indeed other women use it, it doesn't make it any better than minorities using racial slurs affectionately or as a joke. Some women will refer to others as c**** - I think that's wrong, too.

So the score - Offensive - 1
Not offensive, hey, it's joke - 1

eta - hey, how many of you fraternity men object to the term "frat" - a far less loaded term?

Big Co-sign!

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Maybe using "sorostitute" is a big rush mistake.

Back on topic.

It is. Never use "sorostitute" during rush. Many fraternity men have family members who are sorority women. Our Mothers, our sisters, our cousins, and girlfriends and friends in general. You may think you are being funny and cute, but you may very well be disrespecting someone's family.

UGAalum94 · #**480** 03-01-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

eta - hey, how many of you fraternity men object to the term "frat" - a far less loaded term?

I almost used this in my post to illustrate the idea that people can be deeply offended by a term that was considered neutral by the user.

Obviously, I think the connotation of "sorostitute" is much worse than "frat"; one's an abbreviation and the other involves the word "prostitute," so a user of "sorostitute" can't claim to be clueless when people are offended.

But the degree to which a listener is offended may not be the best measure of what a speaker intended or feels.

I'd, of course, agree that it should be avoided during rush and maybe forever.