Prohibiting 1st Semester Freshmen From Pledging

[Kitemom]

At Baylor and it has been this way for many many years. You can't join a GLO, be a cheerleader, songleader or many other things until you have 12 hours at the school and a 2.5 GPA--- no transfer hours or grades count. You can however play in the Band, be members of the BSU, Student Gov. etc.

[aoiicutiepie14]

I pledged as a first semester freshman. I went to a small high school where I knew everyone and ended enrolling at a university with over 30,000 students. I am so glad I decided to pledge my first semester. My big and my sisters have helped make the transition to college so much easier.

[Matsimela]

I always find myself torn when this topic comes up. I personally did not pursue greek life when i was a freshman nor did I want to. I was new to the university and still trying to find my way. While I can understand why some schools do not have or enforce the whole "wait a semester" policy, I would not suggest pledging when you are fresh in college. I would say wait at elast until you get a feel for college life (ie the workload, being away from home and having to take care of yourself, etc) before you decide to join an organization that for most if not all orgs is a LIFETIME commitment.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

Speaking from personal experience, this is the best idea for greek life recruitment.

I went to the University of South Carolina as a freshman this year, pledged a fraternity that was small nationally with 30 some chapters and was wrapped in by the big house. Turns out that i really didn't fit in with the other guys. I knew nothing about the other GLO's and suicided the first one that had an open door to me since rush week is one week in your first week of school.

I ended up depledging by my own choice and doing spring rush. I ended up joining SAE after finding out more about them and liking what they were all about (kind of the party animals i admit). Well 6 weeks in i was dropped because chapter bylaws state that someone in another GLO can not be an official brother, no one knew about these rules and nationals had been on the chapter's back for hazing incidents first semester.

I'm still welcome at the house and got my refund, but point being is i found the fraternity i liked SECOND semester; and was still being bit in the rear by the mistake i made by making a hasty decision FIRST semster.

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right .... you pledged one group, depleged (and did not initiate?), pledged SAE, and then were dropped because you had pledged another org previously?

If you didn't initiate into that first GLO, why would SAE drop you?

Or is this some NIC thing that I'm just not aware of? I've heard of guys actually initating into GLO-A, disaffiliating, and initiating into another NIC GLO. I know the rules are different for each org, but if you never actually initiated, I'm not sure why SAE dropped you?

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Or is this some NIC thing that I'm just not aware of? I've heard of guys actually initating into GLO-A, disaffiliating, and initiating into another NIC GLO. I know the rules are different for each org, but if you never actually initiated, I'm not sure why SAE dropped you?

This is true. I even know of whole chapters disaffiliating and reaffiliating--TWICE. Crazy story.

I'm guessing the SAE chapter on his campus just wasn't comfortable with the whole thing. Which is within their rights.

[SassyPantsAGD]

Western Carolina University has deferred recruitment, with the major recruitment in the Spring because 1st Semester Freshman cannot pledge.

I am now the Recruitment Advisor for my chapter and I would pay to have this done away with. The University is placed in a small town area, with the largest town with malls, dining, activities 45 miles away. I worked in various student affairs departments while a student there and I strong feel that if students were allowed to join Greek letter organizations then the retention rate of the university would increase. Many students leave the university by December of their first year. There is not a lot to do and very little to jump in and get involved in as freshman...within a few years I would love to state this case to the university since I will be working with my chapters recruitment for a while.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SassyPantsAGD

Western Carolina University has deferred recruitment, with the major recruitment in the Spring because 1st Semester Freshman cannot pledge.

I am now the Recruitment Advisor for my chapter and I would pay to have this done away with. The University is placed in a small town area, with the largest town with malls, dining, activities 45 miles away. I worked in various student affairs departments while a student there and I strong feel that if students were allowed to join Greek letter organizations then the retention rate of the university would increase. Many students leave the university by December of their first year. There is not a lot to do and very little to jump in and get involved in as freshman...within a few years I would love to state this case to the university since I will be working with my chapters recruitment for a while.

If there's nothing for non-Greek students to do, then there's nothing for Greeks to do either. I mean, just because you go Greek doesn't mean that you automatically get to go into a special restaurant or club or something. Especially at a small school.

[SassyPantsAGD]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If there's nothing for non-Greek students to do, then there's nothing for Greeks to do either. I mean, just because you go Greek doesn't mean that you automatically get to go into a special restaurant or club or something. Especially at a small school.

When I joined I was technically a 1st semester freshman (post secondary credits) and the experience opened me up to involvement. At a small school, giving you something to be involved in as opposed to packing your bags and going home every weekend keeps you connected with the university and more likely to stay at the campus. Its just like recruitment...you have to make a connection and give people a reason to stay...without a reason to stay you go somewhere else. For a campus where involvement is key to keeping people at the University, giving them options to stay would be more likely to encourage retention.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If there's nothing for non-Greek students to do, then there's nothing for Greeks to do either. I mean, just because you go Greek doesn't mean that you automatically get to go into a special restaurant or club or something. Especially at a small school.

Don't you have the group's parties and social events to go to?

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Don't you have the group's parties and social events to go to?

Yes, as well as philanthropic events, campus activities, new member programs, scholarship encouragement and more than anything -- a "connection" to a group of people.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Don't you have the group's parties and social events to go to?

I thought the people who were pledging only for parties and social events were not the ones we wanted to attract.

But anyway - my answer was addressing SPAGD's grousing about the "malls, dining, activities" being far away. If those are the things that the students are citing as a reason for leaving the school, changing when you can become involved with Greek life isn't going to help that. Students who do not like a small town atmosphere are not going to instantly love it just because they join a GLO.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I thought the people who were pledging only for parties and social events were not the ones we wanted to attract.

But anyway - my answer was addressing SPAGD's grousing about the "malls, dining, activities" being far away. If those are the things that the students are citing as a reason for leaving the school, changing when you can become involved with Greek life isn't going to help that. Students who do not like a small town atmosphere are not going to instantly love it just because they join a GLO.

I think you are underestimating how much an active greek system can bring to a college. I may have been mistaken in emphasizing the parties, but I think it's what kids are typically looking for, pretty much all of them, otherwise we wouldn't be categorized as social GLOs. It doesn't have to be all keggers and shots, but it's social opportunities that I think most people join for.

The groups offer a lot more than that, of course, but if the problem is a lack of fun stuff to do, then emphasizing the fun stuff is probably the way to go.

[33girl]

Well, look at a place like DePauw. It's heavily Greek and from what I understand, the non-Greek students as well are involved in other activities. But no matter how fun that is, there are STILL going to be students who do not like being in the middle of a tiny town in Indiana where they have to drive half an hour to get to a Victoria's Secret.

My point is - someone who hates a small town atmosphere that much isn't going to stay at the school just because they can pledge a Greek org a semester earlier. And if Greek life is that much of an incentive to stay around, won't the students still stay even if they know they have to wait a semester to join?

"Going Greek first semester makes a tiny campus more fun" is the flip side of "Going Greek first semester makes a big campus smaller." The campus is what it is. You can't (and shouldn't) live in a Greek bubble.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

My point is - someone who hates a small town atmosphere that much isn't going to stay at the school just because they can pledge a Greek org a semester earlier. And if Greek life is that much of an incentive to stay around, won't the students still stay even if they know they have to wait a semester to join?

Oh, but I think having that connection to a small group and forming close friendships definitely helps the attrition rate at many campuses.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Well, look at a place like DePauw. It's heavily Greek and from what I understand, the non-Greek students as well are involved in other activities. But no matter how fun that is, there are STILL going to be students who do not like being in the middle of a tiny town in Indiana where they have to drive half an hour to get to a Victoria's Secret.

My point is - someone who hates a small town atmosphere that much isn't going to stay at the school just because they can pledge a Greek org a semester earlier. And if Greek life is that much of an incentive to stay around, won't the students still stay even if they know they have to wait a semester to join?

"Going Greek first semester makes a tiny campus more fun" is the flip side of "Going Greek first semester makes a big campus smaller." The campus is what it is. You can't (and shouldn't) live in a Greek bubble.

I don't think anyone should live in a Greek bubble, but I think that both of the things you said are in fact true in many cases: going greek can make a tiny campus more fun (although I didn't think we were talking about the size of the campus so much as what there was to do) and going greek can make a big campus smaller. It doesn't completely change the nature of the campus, but it makes the individual experience better in a lot of a cases.

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Oh, but I think having that connection to a small group and forming close friendships definitely helps the attrition rate at many campuses.

And I think the data bears this out. I think it's one of the reasons why campus administrators who might otherwise be anti-greek instead embrace Greek life. Schools with Greek life are thought by some to have better campus life generally and that membership in GLO is associated with many positive student traits: higher grades, more campus involvement in other areas, better alumni relationship, etc.

I think it's one of the big reasons that a lot of school previously thought of as commuter schools in Georgia look to expanding their greek system and/or it's amenities as a method to change the campus experience for students.

ETA: I don't know how much any of this is affected by changing recruitment from second to first semester, but I would think it would help. GLO membership probably does help students feel attached to the campus, and it'd be better to establish it earlier.