Less popular sororities

[Elephant Walk]

Funny?

No, not really. It's unfortunate it happens.

But this is the South...where tradition matters (as I have said over and over again). Where the appropriate rush/pledging tactics can set you up or pull your chapter eventually. They were idiots about this and it turned out poorly for them.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Funny?

No, not really. It's unfortunate it happens.

But this is the South...where tradition matters (as I have said over and over again). Where the appropriate rush/pledging tactics can set you up or pull your chapter eventually. They were idiots about this and it turned out poorly for them.

ok, I'm asking this, SERIOUSLY.

If Beyonce Knowles came through rush at your school, and an NPC sorority pledged her, would they be shunned socially?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by 33girl

ok, I'm asking this, SERIOUSLY.

If Beyonce Knowles came through rush at your school, and an NPC sorority pledged her, would they be shunned socially?

I'm asking this, seriously,

Who is Beyonce Knowles?

I don't watch many movies, most of it's Hollywood trash.

I agree. It is just too bad that too many guys like EW are following instead of leading.

What the hell are you talking about?

To my knowledge, there aren't any girls of race in the Greek system. They made this decision long before I went to the University of Arkansas, the sorority fell apart then, and hasn't been good since I've been on campus. They also haven't pledge any minorities since...I assume. I don't hang out with that sorority because it's rare to see one on campus, much less at a party.

So much for race being a card that doesn't matter as long as people are of a certain background and uphold certain values and standards.

So much for arguing intelligently instead of cheap shots...

I'm not in a sorority, obviously. I wasn't at the University at the time. She was not of a good background, which was part of the reason the sorority argued over her for so long.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

She was not of a good background, which was part of the reason the sorority argued over her for so long.

If you had a brain in your head, you would have said "she came from a really trashy background" and left it at that - without bringing race into the picture.

[skylark]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

To my knowledge, there aren't any girls of race in the Greek system.

First, I'm assuming by "girls of race" you're referring to minority women. Race =/= Black or whatever it is you think it means.

Second, maybe if people like you said "hey, this isn't tradition, this is wrong and I'm going to support sororities that pledge diverse women as a positive thing" then maybe more minority women would feel comfortable enough to join your greek system and sororities wouldn't be scared to pledge them.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by skylark

First, I'm assuming by "girls of race" you're referring to minority women. Race =/= Black or whatever it is you think it means.

Second, maybe if people like you said "hey, this isn't tradition, this is wrong and I'm going to support sororities that pledge diverse women as a positive thing" then maybe more minority women would feel comfortable enough to join your greek system and sororities wouldn't be scared to pledge them.

Support?

Do you want me to give them money?

The University of Arkansas is 4% African-American.

I believe the other races have nearly the same or less representation.

[skylark]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Do you want me to give them money?

I guess that would be the thing your mind would jump to -- money.

Believe it or not, some causes need a different kind of support. You can't just buy people off your entire life, you know. Sometimes YOU actually have to stand up for something.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by skylark

I guess that would be the thing your mind would jump to -- money.

Believe it or not, some causes need a different kind of support. You can't just buy people off your entire life, you know. Sometimes YOU actually have to stand up for something.

Okay, well what support do you deduce that I should do?

I'd love to hear this, honestly. Should I dress in a cheerleader costume outside the girls houses and say "GO MINORITY WOMEN!!! GO GREEK!!" when they don't rush...and if they decide to rush Sophomore year, they're already too late?

edit: You don't quite understand what I mean by money, because this is the most important part of it. As Arkansas is very poor generally, the minorities are poorer than the whites as a whole. How are they going to pay exorbitant sorority fees if they can barely feed their family and go to the University on scholarship?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by skylark

....then maybe more minority women would feel comfortable enough to join your greek system and sororities wouldn't be scared to pledge them.

And if more minority women don't, it will be because they don't want to and not because they "can't."

I know organizations' reputations matter but it really sucks that fraternity men's opinions matter this much (not just with this specific incident but in general). There are so many people in the campus and local communities whose opinions should matter more, even if the mixers and stuff could be impacted.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

ok, I'm asking this, SERIOUSLY.

If Beyonce Knowles came through rush at your school, and an NPC sorority pledged her, would they be shunned socially?

I know this wasn't directly toward me, but I will answer. Hell no!

This includes any "Traditional", "Top Tier", "Old Row", "Good Ole Boy", "SEC", "Southern", "Conservative", "My Daddy has more money than your Daddy" chapter. Cause any good fraternity man knows you have to find favor with the sorority sisters if you want to get to the girl.



Mr. Walk: For your education, this ^^^ is Miss Knowles.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I know this wasn't directly toward me, but I will answer. Hell no!

This includes any "Traditional", "Top Tier", "Old Row", "Good Ole Boy", "SEC", "Southern", "Conservative", "My Daddy has more money than your Daddy" chapter. Cause any good fraternity man knows you have to find favor with the sorority sisters if you want to get to the girl.



Mr. Walk: For your education, this ^^^ is Miss Knowles.

Yeah because she's not too black to offend the mainstream but black enough so they can say "we aren't bigots...we love that sorority with that black member."

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yeah because she's not too black to offend the mainstream but black enough so they can say "we aren't bigots...we love that sorority with that black member."

Here again, this is true.

However, I bet dollars to donuts that any chapter that pledges a women with such stunning looks would be hard pressed to be shunned by the fraternities. Regardless of her pigment.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TSteven

However, I bet dollars to donuts that any chapter that pledges a women with such stunning looks would be hard pressed to be shunned by the fraternities. Regardless of her pigment.

The less Hollywood-ized version of her looks a lot different but, using the naturally beautiful women I know in real life, I see your point.

[UGAalum94]

I don't know if the straight up racism that EW is espousing is actually that common. Even the most traditional, conservative, old south chapter has members (and I actually think a majority of members) who would be disgusted by the assertion that because a group includes a minority member that the group isn't to be associated with socially.

But there are also individual members who may/do hold racist views, and because the non-racist members don't push their position and insist on showing good leadership, the racists are more influential than they ought to be.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Funny?

No, not really. It's unfortunate it happens.

But this is the South...where tradition matters (as I have said over and over again). Where the appropriate rush/pledging tactics can set you up or pull your chapter eventually. They were idiots about this and it turned out poorly for them.

Wow. What years was she active? Pretty progressive for an Arkansas chapter.