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Old 02-24-2008, 02:58 AM
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It is very possible that her campaign knew about the mailings before the conference where she voiced her outrage. I like how he always seemed to take the high road. However, based on the article, he didn't seem to attack her character, only her healthcare plan. Along with her previous attacks, her "change you can Xerox" comment during the debate was calloused, and not well-received. It may be a little late for her to play the victim.
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Old 02-24-2008, 04:10 AM
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Here's my take: The mailings are a month old. I read a discussion of how they are very similar (perhaps intentionally) to images used against the idea when Hillary Clinton promoted her health care during Bill's presidency. This "moral outrage" comes off as a mother scolding a child... and in a way that makes them mom look bad. Maybe it's my age but she came off overly upset, not justifiably so. The sort you respond to with an .

Oh yes, and btw:

Gee... attacking on healthcare is wrong? (Also, please note that the last quote on there is actually from HER as reported on CBSNews.com. Not from a reporter, she's quoting herself.)

I see this as staged outrage and nothing else and she doesn't adequately respond to the "attacks" in the mailings that oh-so-completely offend her.

ETA: Video of Hillary's OMG
Video of Obama's response

More fun links: What if we're nuked on day one!
The NAFTA mailer from Obama
An image purportedly from a mailer
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:08 PM
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Also, please note that the last quote on there is actually from HER as reported on CBSNews.com. Not from a reporter, she's quoting herself.
LOL

ETA: Drolefille, I just checked out the links and had a bad grammar moment on this one:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...Picture1-1.png

Which...don't??? Who wrote that?
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:46 PM
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LOL

ETA: Drolefille, I just checked out the links and had a bad grammar moment on this one:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...Picture1-1.png

Which...don't??? Who wrote that?
Does "which" always have to be singular?
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:10 PM
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Does "which" always have to be singular?
The question is asking "which one of these people" so the correct verb is "does not deserve" not "do not deserve."
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:21 PM
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The question is asking "which one of these people" so the correct verb is "does not deserve" not "do not deserve."
No, it doesn't actually if you read the poster at the link. It says "which of these people" which I think could be either singular or plural depending on if you could only choose one or more than one. (unless it's been changed)

Unless I'm missing something, there's no reason why one would assume only one of the group pictured doesn't deserve health care, rather than two or three.

(This assumes of course that everyone is entitled to health insurance as a matter of governmental responsibility, rather than my real response which would be "which among those people can afford to purchase health insurance ands elects not too?" Those don't deserve it, IMO.)

I'm with you though, that it seems awkwardly phrased, and have I written the slogan, I would have figured some other way of expressing it so that no one would question if it was grammatical.

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Old 02-24-2008, 06:53 PM
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No, it doesn't actually if you read the poster at the link. It says "which of these people" which I think could be either singular or plural depending on if you could only choose one or more than one. (unless it's been changed)

Unless I'm missing something, there's no reason why one would assume only one of the group pictured doesn't deserve health care, rather than two or three.
"Which" is a relative pronoun in the sentence. What is "which" referring to? It is referring to an understood "one" because there is no other useable noun in the sentence - it can't refer to a noun within a prepositional phrase (i.e. "of these people"). "One" is singular, therefore, the verb has to be singular. If the sentence said "Which people don't deserve health care?" the verb "don't" would be appropriate, because "which" would be referring to "people" which is plural.
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