Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Suuuuuuuure...as long as you make sense to yourself.

You popped in, made a snap judgment and the conversation stopped. Not what I was looking for, but I guess it's preferable to ignorant ranting of which there was some earlier in the thread. (Not so much from you, but the usual stuff when we talk about race in the context of elite fraternities.)

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You popped in, made a snap judgment and the conversation stopped. Not what I was looking for, but I guess it's preferable to ignorant ranting of which there was some earlier in the thread. (Not so much from you, but the usual stuff when we talk about race in the context of elite fraternities.)

From my perspective, the convo only stopped because the two of you started a rather insular back and forth. I thought DST made a pretty good summation of sasquatch's position, and I would have liked to delve into it a bit further. If not for judgements made off another's post, would there be any conversation at this point at all?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by pbear19

From my perspective, the convo only stopped because the two of you started a rather insular back and forth. I thought DST made a pretty good summation of sasquatch's position, and I would have liked to delve into it a bit further. If not for judgements made off another's post, would there be any conversation at this point at all?

You're probably right.

But since sasquatch didn't post again, I guess there's not much to say.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But since sasquatch didn't post again, I guess there's not much to say.

*whispering*

We see the posters lurking in the bushes as they wait for the unsuspecting poster to stop moderating the thread so closely. When they see an opportunity they might care to jump on it. Might.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

*whispering*

We see the posters lurking in the bushes as they wait for the unsuspecting poster to stop moderating the thread so closely. When they see an opportunity they might care to jump on it. Might.

Baby, I'm not moderating; I'm participating.

Jump in please!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Baby

Yikes.

*****

To anyone who wants to respond:

So what's up with actives not remembering basic things from their pledgeship like the founding values and purpose of their organization? Is that something that isn't frowned upon in many GLOs?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yikes.

*****

To anyone who wants to respond:

So what's up with actives not remembering basic things from their pledgeship like the founding values and purpose of their organization? Is that something that isn't frowned upon in many GLOs?

It just seemed to go with moderatin' and participatin' but forgive me if it seemed fresh.

I think most remember that. I found that kind of shocking, but I'm never sure that any particular poster is actually who they are pretending to be, so there was a limit to how seriously I was going to take that.

Maybe he just didn't want to tip his hand about what group he was in?

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So what's up with actives not remembering basic things from their pledgeship like the founding values and purpose of their organization? Is that something that isn't frowned upon in many GLOs?

I honestly just chalked it up to the societal apathy towards history. So many people don't know much of anything as it relates to history (except sports) and I figured some will view the founding of an organization in a similar light. It's learned for the time period that is required and then quickly forgotten.

(But I'm cynical about stuff like this, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.)

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So what's up with actives not remembering basic things from their pledgeship like the founding values and purpose of their organization? Is that something that isn't frowned upon in many GLOs?

Frowned or not, these sorts of things happen. I think it comes partially from the NPC/NIC tradition of joining your first semester/year of college. People change a lot over college, so the things that were hammered into them as being "really important" when they joined their freshman year may, like so much else that was really important freshman year, seem not as vital by the time they reach their later years. I'm not justifying this, but it happens.

Also, many fraternities, in particular, are very different beasts now than their original founded form. Many members may not associate or connect their fraternity/sorority experience, as they personally experience it, with the things that some guys sat down in the 1840's and thought up.

Besides, suppose someone reaches their senior year and can't remember (or pretends not to remember, to seem cool and tough) their founding principles. What are you going to do, grill them? Kick them out? How would you even find out that they can't remember all 15 founders' first, middle and last names? Remembering and treasuring the traditions of an organization can be encouraged, but the decision eventually comes down to the individual, sooner or later.

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As to why people like sasquatch don't really identify as strongly with their national fraternity as their own chapter: many fraternity men disagree deeply with the current policies of their national organization, and the way that the national organization chooses to interpret their founding values. I could go into details, (mostly from other organizations besides my own, for the record) but I'll refrain.

Also, on a more personal note, it may sometimes be easier to feel proud of your undergrad chapter than the national fraternity. National fraternities (and sororities) are such great sprawling organizations that someone's bound to do something stupid while associated with your letters, like encouraging their brother to drink himself to death on his 21st birthday, or sexually assaulting a stripper (although they were later exonerated... kind of), or getting liquored up and trashing a hotel room in Colorado.

Now, how about those biggest rush mistakes?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by pbear19

a rather insular back and forth.

It could've been more entertaining. I like jokes.

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It could've been more entertaining. I like jokes.

It wasn't without entertainment.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by pbear19

It wasn't without entertainment.

I haven't failed you afterall.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You popped in, made a snap judgment and the conversation stopped. Not what I was looking for, but I guess it's preferable to ignorant ranting of which there was some earlier in the thread. (Not so much from you, but the usual stuff when we talk about race in the context of elite fraternities.)

I didn't make a snap judgment. I read the post and responded.

Again, if you want to control the convo, PM someone. What's preferable to you doesn't dictate what everyone else types about.