Plegdes wearing letters???

[LiDdLMiSsGrEeK]

for my sorority pledges are not allowed to wear letters or sport them in any fashion. Pledges are also not to write the letters until they are fullfledged sisters. They can write the whole name out, but I'm not sure if they're allowed to wear it or not. However to distinguish pledges from sisters, pledges wear pledge pins as well as other things to distinguish them from sisters. They do not what our letters mean and they have not earned them. As a sister or brother of your GLO how do, or how would, you feel about pledges wearing letters before initiation? I know I would be like "hey you haven't gone through everything that I had to go through to earn MY letters. You don't deserve them." also if a pledge can wear letters before init. if they do drop how can u guarantee they will not sport "their letters"?

Originally Posted by LiDdLMiSsGrEeK

for my sorority pledges are not allowed to wear letters or sport them in any fashion. Pledges are also not to write the letters until they are fullfledged sisters. They can write the whole name out, but I'm not sure if they're allowed to wear it or not. However to distinguish pledges from sisters, pledges wear pledge pins as well as other things to distinguish them from sisters. They do not what our letters mean and they have not earned them. As a sister or brother of your GLO how do, or how would, you feel about pledges wearing letters before initiation? I know I would be like "hey you haven't gone through everything that I had to go through to earn MY letters. You don't deserve them." also if a pledge can wear letters before init. if they do drop how can u guarantee they will not sport "their letters"?

I don't think I could ever take this person's posts seriously. I blame the Togglecase. Seriously guys, WHY DO YOU STILL FEEL THE NEED TO TyPe LiKe ThIs? WhY GoD WhY?

Wasn't there a SpiNeLLi who was posting here recently?

[ladygreek]

Glad this was bumped, so i could add my $19.13 worth. One of the reasons my org (can't speak for the rest of the NPHC) does not allow our Intake group to wear our letters is that completion of the process is not guaranteed. Look at some of the other threads in this forum about folx de-pledging.

Plus they have their own symbols (including a pin) to be worn until they are duly initiated as a member.

Also, it is not a matter of keeping the group secret so much as it is forbidding the walking in line, dressing identically, giving greetings, etc. in public as we did pre-1988. (Delta adopted a new process before the NPHC as a whole did in response to the growing number of hazing violations.) That process served as a model for the other NPHC groups to develop their own.

Why were the above seemingly innocent activities considered hazing? Because of the 20/80 rule. There were those who took them to the extreme causing financial hardship and public embarrassment. So because of the 20 percent we had to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Glad this was bumped, so i could add my $19.13 worth. One of the reasons my org (can't speak for the rest of the NPHC) does not allow our Intake group to wear our letters is that completion of the process is not guaranteed. Look at some of the other threads in this forum about folx de-pledging.

Plus they have their own symbols (including a pin) to be worn until they are duly initiated as a member.

Also, it is not a matter of keeping the group secret so much as it is forbidding the walking in line, dressing identically, giving greetings, etc. in public as we did pre-1988. (Delta adopted a new process before the NPHC as a whole did in response to the growing number of hazing violations.) That process served as a model for the other NPHC groups to develop their own.

Why were the above seemingly innocent activities considered hazing? Because of the 20/80 rule. There were those who took them to the extreme causing financial hardship and public embarrassment. So because of the 20 percent we had to throw the baby out with the bath water.

As we've always said, NPC and NPHC are very very different. I don't think I'd want new members wearing letters either if initiation wasn't a sure thing. NPC has an extremely high initiation rate for women who pledge. NPHC likely is not nearly as high, but the process is also not as regimented and universal across different groups. Also, the process is certainly not advertised or discussed as much as in NPC, so who knows what the percentage is! If I thought that a significant number would drop or be dropped prior to becoming full members, I wouldn't want them to represent AOII. Since the vast majority of our new members do initiate, I have no problem with them wearing our letters.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

NPHC likely is not nearly as high, but the process is also not as regimented and universal across different groups.

what do you mean?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by CULater

what do you mean?

What I mean is that NPHC does not necessarily initiate all of it's pledges/new members, but they don't have a formal pan-NPHC recruitment that is widely advertised with a "guaranteed" pledge class of women they've never met before. NPC uses a formal recruitment process that is followed by all NPC groups on a campus. We are basically set up to very publicly take in new members and are expected to keep said new members. NPHC is a lot more circumspect in their intake practices...ie. they don't talk about it, so how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public...and that's the way they want it! Trust me, there were no thinly veiled insults in my original post!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public

Depends on the campus.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

What I mean is that NPHC does not necessarily initiate all of it's pledges/new members, but they don't have a formal pan-NPHC recruitment that is widely advertised with a "guaranteed" pledge class of women they've never met before. NPC uses a formal recruitment process that is followed by all NPC groups on a campus. We are basically set up to very publicly take in new members and are expected to keep said new members. NPHC is a lot more circumspect in their intake practices...ie. they don't talk about it, so how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public...and that's the way they want it! Trust me, there were no thinly veiled insults in my original post!

guess i misheard you. i'm pretty sure every org in NPHC, have set regimented and universal (albeit private) guidelines for new member intake from the moment of expressing interest to the moment you become a member, whether or not a NM completes the process is a whole 'nother ballgame.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

What I mean is that NPHC does not necessarily initiate all of it's pledges/new members, but they don't have a formal pan-NPHC recruitment that is widely advertised with a "guaranteed" pledge class of women they've never met before. NPC uses a formal recruitment process that is followed by all NPC groups on a campus. We are basically set up to very publicly take in new members and are expected to keep said new members. NPHC is a lot more circumspect in their intake practices...ie. they don't talk about it, so how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public...and that's the way they want it! Trust me, there were no thinly veiled insults in my original post!

I don't quite understand your post. Especially when youa re talking about pledges/new members. We (NPHC) have new members in the sense they just were initiated versus someone else in the chapter who has been in for a year or more.

Are you possicbly referring to the 20 mentioned above as the amount that would show up to a rush and the 2 as ones who actually make it?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by OTW

I don't think I could ever take this person's posts seriously. I blame the Togglecase. Seriously guys, WHY DO YOU STILL FEEL THE NEED TO TyPe LiKe ThIs? WhY GoD WhY?

I so agree with you on this. At first I thought folx did it because the capitalized letter spelled out something. But then I realized that in most cases it was just random and stupid.

[urbanfemme]

Originally Posted by LiDdLMiSsGrEeK

for my sorority pledges are not allowed to wear letters or sport them in any fashion. Pledges are also not to write the letters until they are fullfledged sisters. They can write the whole name out, but I'm not sure if they're allowed to wear it or not. However to distinguish pledges from sisters, pledges wear pledge pins as well as other things to distinguish them from sisters. They do not what our letters mean and they have not earned them. As a sister or brother of your GLO how do, or how would, you feel about pledges wearing letters before initiation? I know I would be like "hey you haven't gone through everything that I had to go through to earn MY letters. You don't deserve them." also if a pledge can wear letters before init. if they do drop how can u guarantee they will not sport "their letters"?

For my chapter at my school, that's how it works. We're also not allowed to wear our colors together either.

[DEVODUDE]

In ZBT, our new members are allowed to wear the letters of the fraternity, however, they are not allowed to wear national brother pin or chapter pin until they successfully complete the membership development process and are initiated into the brotherhood.