Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[Tom Earp]

Recruitment as some said is to find like members.

Is that in mind, color or relegion?

There may be some that while not white only clauses still think that and that is ignorance not knowledge about people!

Some will be sure to argue that whites are racist, since when were blacks, Asians, or Latinos not the same?

In recruitment, he or shes find a PERSON who will help them grow and round out the group and learn from them as individuals, or should!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by srmom

Maybe in a generalized sense, but in specific cases, I think things are becoming much more racially integrated, and the segregation is based on cultural differences not race.

I am talking about trends and patterns across millions of people and institutions such as the segregated schools, churches, and neighborhoods. These are the segregated places where people spend most of their time, even if they work in buildings that are racially integregated (even if the higher up you get in power, the more white and male it gets). However, the average American even works in racially segregated environments--often simply called a division of labor that just so happens to place people of certain races in certain divisions.

This is a racially segregated society that separates people based on race, even if they are of the same socioeconomic and family backgrounds. That's race and not culture. There is still a such as the "racial tipping point."

This society is not becoming more racially integrated. It is becoming more segregated. Both official and unofficial data tells those of us who study this and related social issues that, as well as observations in the majority of communities in this country. Your son's high school is racially integrated but most high schools in this country are not. And being in a racially integrated high school does not mean that kids bring their friend of other races home to meet their parents or that parents really know who their kids are mingling with. The difference between "school friend" and "real friend." And...no...I don't want to read more about your son's school and his friends. But I'm sure he's a great kid at a cool school.

You all feel free to go back to discussing rush stuff. But I'll post again if race is discussed some more.

[srmom]

does not mean that kids bring their friend of other races home to meet their parents or that parents really know who their kids are mingling with

last thing I'll say too

But, actually, they do. They all run in a pack and they eat all my food, so, trust me, I do know whose raiding my pantry, and it includes "all" the guys, including the minority ones. And I love them all - although I wish they would keep their hands off my 100 calorie popcorn and oreos!

I hope it's not as bad as you make it seem. I cannot go out to movies or restaurants where I don't see multiple racially mixed couples. My sister in law is hispanic, with a wonderful huge family that she brought with her into our Irish Catholic brood.

Maybe it's because I live in a huge metropollitan city that has been named by many African American publications as one of the best places to live in the US in terms of opportunities and such. but I think it also is because it just isn't such a big deal here.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by srmom

I hope it's not as bad as you make it seem.

It is, especially in huge metropolitan areas that African American publications said are great places to live. The fact that the publications highlight these places also speaks volumes.

Black Enterprise is a great magazine and here's their criteria:
The editors weighed the following criteria as it pertained to
African Americans in each city: median household income, percentage of
households earning more than $100,000, percentage of businesses owned,
percentage of college graduates, unemployment rates, home loan rejections,
and homeownership rates.

So this criteria and other criteria such as cultural activities and a racially heterogenous population do not solve the problem, or reduce the prevalance, of racial segregation.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...+2007+04:30+PM

This is TRULY a thread hijack as it has nothing to do with the original thread hijack. Srmom, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post your response.

[nittanyalum]

*my head exploding*

[DSTCHAOS]

Or you could've typed about the original thread topic, genius.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Anyone have an idea to get this back on topic?

Hey, I tried!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Hey, I tried!

Several people did. (to no avail)

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by srmom

Maybe it's because I live in a huge metropollitan city that has been named by many African American publications as one of the best places to live in the US in terms of opportunities and such. but I think it also is because it just isn't such a big deal here.

Do you by chance live in the Twin Cities, MN?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Several people did. (to no avail)

And some of us just announced their head exploded.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

And some of us just announced their head exploded.

Yes, but first, on p. 12, I posted this:

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Wow how did this thread get to this ^^^ from this:


I actually miss Fratty's list of what to wear and what size/type/look of female to be seen in the company of...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Yes, but first, on p. 12, I posted this:

Oh that was your attempt? What a poor one. It's obvious how we got here and I'm sure you miss the original topic.

So post something that brings the thread back, don't just remind the thread that it detoured.

[nittanyalum]

Wow. Yes, ma'am!

[SWTXBelle]

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Here's the list, feel free to add on or argue against these.

1.) Wearing jean shorts (SECDomination probably sees a lot of these ). You will not get a bid... jean shorts were [marginally] cool about 10 years ago, now they are trashy and redneck.
2.) Being overly cocky, nobody wants a pledge who thinks that they are too good to perform menial tasks, see #7
3.) One word answers. Be conversational, social skills are the most important thing that somebody can possess. The importance of this skill can not be stressed enough.
4.) Deleted
5.) Getting drunktaneous at rush events. Fraternities do not want people with no self control, it becomes a huge risk to pledge someone who can't control themselves.
6.) Do not hook up with girls at rush events unless they are of the highest quality and you have checked to make sure that they are not an active's girlfriend or even an active's potential girlfriend. Nothing is worse than pissing off a brother or receiving the nickname "free willy" in the first week of pledgeship.
7.) Trying too hard. You do not need to convince the brothers that you are the coolest person ever and they should initiate you on the spot. Be yourself and if you are a fit in that particular organization then you will receive a bid. Have faith in the fraternity, they have been doing this way longer than you.
8.) Name dropping. Goes in line with trying too hard. If you are well connected and friends with a lot of the actives then the brothers will tell the people on bid team this, you don't need to mention it.
9.) Spending less than 45 minutes at a given house. If you want a bid then you have to show the brothers that you're serious. Spend time at the house getting to know people, even if you don't pledge there you can make connections that last for a while. (I get free pizza because of somebody I met in another fraternity during rush, we really hit it off). Meet every brother that you can, the more, the better.

Tips to impress, now that you know what to avoid doing, here are a few pointers that may get you bonus points.
1.) Bring attractive girls with you. This is the absolute best way to get attention and respect from the actives. Find the best looking girls that you know from high school or whatever and bring them with you when you rush.
2.) Go to the post-rush events (if they have them) AND show that you are socially adept. The most important quality in pledges (and arguably in life) is the ability to socialize with everyone (brothers, girls, alumni, parents, etc.)
3.) Have a lot of knowledge and the ability to carry on conversations.
4.) Use manners. If you are offered food, take it. Hold the door for women and don't swear with any women in earshot, basic things that your mother has been teaching you since you were little.

The few things in italics may not apply to you, the rest of these apply to everybody.

If we may, time to head back to the program...