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Old 01-08-2008, 03:07 AM
EE-BO EE-BO is offline
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This amazes me.

Even some of the articles on this case pointed out there was no forced drinking here- it was a spontaneous act.

This kid spent almost 18 years of his life under the care of Mom and Dad, and a few weeks under the partial influence of a fraternity at a college.

And now the college is responsible?

Logic would dictate it is more likely this kid had fucking losers for parents who contributed to a weak sense of personal responsibility than some sinister influence that suddenly overtook him.

99% of us go off to college and have our fun, but also stay alive and in good stead. This is because we head off to college well-equipped to be adults- and a good 5-6 years older than our great grandparents who were often married with kids and running households at the age of today's college freshmen.

And now Mom and Dad want to sue. How sad. I wonder how they can look themselves in the mirror after trying to profit from the death of their own child whose bad decisions were his own- but most likely influenced by their own inadequacy.
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Old 04-11-2008, 06:20 PM
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The Associated Press has an update. See

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...rthjwD8VVTT600

Brief excerpts from longer article:

The former president of a fraternity at Rider University has settled a lawsuit with the parents of a pledge who drank himself to death last year . . . .
Michael Torney agreed to pay $150,000 to the family of Gary DeVercelly Jr. and agreed to provide information to help the family with their lawsuit against the university, the Phi Kappa Tau fraternity and others over their son's death.

. . . a lawyer for DeVercelly's parents, said Torney's cooperation "will result in the release of significant evidence establishing the responsibility of Rider University and Phi Kappa Tau fraternity."
Torney still faces criminal charges of aggravated hazing. . . .
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:07 PM
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This amazes me.

Even some of the articles on this case pointed out there was no forced drinking here- it was a spontaneous act.

This kid spent almost 18 years of his life under the care of Mom and Dad, and a few weeks under the partial influence of a fraternity at a college.

And now the college is responsible?

Logic would dictate it is more likely this kid had fucking losers for parents who contributed to a weak sense of personal responsibility than some sinister influence that suddenly overtook him.

99% of us go off to college and have our fun, but also stay alive and in good stead. This is because we head off to college well-equipped to be adults- and a good 5-6 years older than our great grandparents who were often married with kids and running households at the age of today's college freshmen.

And now Mom and Dad want to sue. How sad. I wonder how they can look themselves in the mirror after trying to profit from the death of their own child whose bad decisions were his own- but most likely influenced by their own inadequacy.
I agree and guess we will have to wait for the up-coming law suits to find out.
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Old 04-12-2008, 07:53 PM
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This amazes me.

Even some of the articles on this case pointed out there was no forced drinking here- it was a spontaneous act.

This kid spent almost 18 years of his life under the care of Mom and Dad, and a few weeks under the partial influence of a fraternity at a college.

And now the college is responsible?

Logic would dictate it is more likely this kid had fucking losers for parents who contributed to a weak sense of personal responsibility than some sinister influence that suddenly overtook him.

99% of us go off to college and have our fun, but also stay alive and in good stead. This is because we head off to college well-equipped to be adults- and a good 5-6 years older than our great grandparents who were often married with kids and running households at the age of today's college freshmen.

And now Mom and Dad want to sue. How sad. I wonder how they can look themselves in the mirror after trying to profit from the death of their own child whose bad decisions were his own- but most likely influenced by their own inadequacy.
Yes and no. Personally, given the fact pattern we have, I don't think the university is responsible, but in today's world, it only matters what the legal system thinks, not us.

It's important to know what you're legally responsible for as well when you get into situations like this. Have an apartment with underage drinkers? If they have been drinking and you have alcohol in the apartment it doesn't matter if they got it there or not, you can be taken to jail. If someone at the party dies, you can be sued. No one seems to think about these issues either. If someone dies from drinking in your presence, like now, you and your organization can be sued. It's one of the reasons I don't have apartment parties, personally, and I volunteer to be the one to make sure my drunk friends aren't TOO drunk. It keeps both them and YOU safe.

I doubt they are trying to profit from their son's death so much as trying to punish people that they hold responsible. Having no children, much less having never lost children this way (I'm just assuming you haven't either but please correct me if I am wrong about that), I don't know what I'd do and don't personally find it appropriate to judge someone in a position I hope to never ever be in. But I'm sure it's hard to place blame only on their son and to accept that he caused his own death, stupidly. The only person I would feel like suing, I think, given the fact pattern, is whoever supplied the alcohol. Even then, I feel it's shaky. But who knows what they are going through.

In the end, though, I think holding everyone else responsible in a situation like this is like holding someone responsible for a truth or dare gone wrong. If you decide to DO it, it's on your shoulders. That's my take on it, anyway. I hold myself responsible for all of the stupid things I've done, whether or not someone "urged" me to do it. I always had the option of saying no.

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Old 06-07-2008, 08:42 PM
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While doing an unrelated search, found this news update:
AP NewsBreak: Rider administrators warned about hazing?

By CHRIS NEWMARKER,
AP
Posted: 2008-06-04 14:42:50
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - The parents of a dead Rider University student are now claiming that school administrators were personally warned about dangerous hazing at a fraternity chapter blamed for their son's death last year.

Lawyers for Gary DeVercelly Jr.'s parents filed a motion last week to expand their lawsuit against the university to include two school administrators, Ada Badgley and Cassie Iacovelli.

The lawyers say the administrators were told of excessive drinking during pledge season but did nothing to stop it at the on-campus Phi Kappa Tau house........
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ap-news...04144209990042
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Old 10-17-2008, 05:27 PM
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Update October 17, 2008

An individual settles . . . and looks like a "lesser charge" is agreed to:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=6454913
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:20 PM
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Update December 16, 2008:

Probation with certain conditions for one of the members of the fraternity:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._for_ride.html
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