How much is too much?

[tld221]

my man PB is REALLY MAD THO! i really wish i could meet this broad cause she did him dirty...

i seriously think all of PB's women rants are one girl who just really did him wrong. like on some inexcusable mess that is to never to be discussed.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by tld221

i seriously think all of PB's women rants are one girl who just really did him wrong. like on some inexcusable mess that is to never to be discussed.

I have a "friend" who has someone in the inexcusable pile and if my "friend" ever saw this joker (I like PBs terminology) it would NOT be nice. He had the nerve to show up at my "friend's" graduation on Saturday. We (read: I) can't stand him!

[Animate]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

While that may sound funny, I was serious as a heart attack when I posted that. No, I'm not broke, but then again, I'm not wealthy either. I refuse to take a woman (that I want for more than a friend) who I don't know very well to an expensive classy restaurant. Call me cheap if you want to, but my reason for this is because I used to go high class with every date I would go on everytime, and then come to find out that I was going out with sack chasing gold diggin' hoes. Money was never the issue, and it still isn't. It's the woman. If she can hang with me after a few dates of dining at the cheapo "abnorm", then that tells me she enjoys my company and likes "me" not the fancy places I take her. Believe me, once I've been with her for awhile, then we'll go anywhere she wants to. (High class) As long as I can afford it, we'll go. Also if money ever gets tight and we have to start dining "down" again, then she won't get upset, because these are the places we started going in the 1st place.

My ex (who I always went high class on) was a low down, lying, sack chasing, gold diggin,' fake cheat. I avoid women like her at all costs. I can see them coming a mile away. Now, I only get involved with the opposite of what she was.

Exactly! IMO dude somewhat asked for it. He took her to an expensive place and she ordered something expensive. Seems logical to me. Besides why would you pull out all the stops on a 1st date? you are setting the bar extremely high for yourself when you do this.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

That's not true with every dude. A lot of women like to choose trifling jokers like this. Of course if you keep accepting high class gifts or any gift from him for that matter, eventually he's going to want something in return. Like James said, maybe he wanted a kiss, a hug or whatever. I know for me, if I'm taking her out to an expensive restaurant, believe me, I'm not doing it for free. Hell, I can get to know her at Subway, but I do want something in return. No, of course I'm not saying I want to see the girl with her panties around her ankles after the 1st date, those kind of women are hoes, and I don't date hoes. I at least want a hint rather it be through a kiss or a hug, that she's interested in a 2nd date to something long term. I disagree with you here.

Yup!

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Animate

Exactly! IMO dude somewhat asked for it. He took her to an expensive place and she ordered something expensive. Seems logical to me. Besides why would you pull out all the stops on a 1st date? you are setting the bar extremely high for yourself when you do this.


Yup!

Animate I feel you. It's funny how some of these women talk about being in the millenium and how it's a different time, but as soon as it's time to put some food in her stomach, now all of a sudden we're back in the 50's so the dude can pay for an expensive a$$ meal. She gets straight up Mickey D's from me (on the 1st date) and she's lucky if she gets Subway since it is more of a healthy fast food.

ETA: I believe that the man should be a gentleman and pay for a "lady", but not a hoe. Hell, if I were a broke joker, I wouldn't give a hoe a food stamp.

[AKA_Monet]

^^^PB sweetheart, you never take a 1st date--a woman who you are considering seriously--to a high end restaurant.

Besides, I am amazed by y'all fellas--all good women know a way to a man's heart is through his stomach... Most ladies who want you to EAT WELL, COOK and FEED their men...

Don't believe me? That's how I got married to my husband...

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

^^^PB sweetheart, you never take a 1st date--a woman who you are considering seriously--to a high end restaurant.

I don't. I also wouldn't date a woman unless I want something serious from her. What's the point? I don't date just to be dating, nor do I casual date. I date "one" women, and I get serious with "one" woman, so why would I take her to a high end place if I don't even know her? For all I know she could be a low down woman who uses nice guys and commits herself to low down, thuggish, spinelss K Fed, 50 cent looking jokers. Bad boys like these idiots damn sure aren't going to take her anywhere except to the bedroom, and that's it. Women that fool around with these sorry, poor excuses for men, suck and aren't worth my time.

Fellas, be very leery about where you take your dates. There are other things worth your time you could have spent that cash on.

[AlphaFrog]

PB - when you die a lonely, bitter old man, we can all look back on these threads and not have to wonder why.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

PB - when you die a lonely, bitter old man, we can all look back on these threads and not have to wonder why.

AF...actually altho it may sound bitter...he has a point...some of us have been in the same situation.

You take someone out to someplace really nice and....poof...that's it....

I can't recall how many 'great first dates' I had and later on felt it to be a waste.

So yeah...sometimes...we get a little leery about where we want to take some of you and it becomes a gamble...hehehe.

And believe me, it's not about trying to get physical, but it's about trying to make an investment and after a while you get tired of 'trying to impress' or trying to go all out for someone that doesn't show any appreciatation for it. (and again we aren't referring to sex!)

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

PB - when you die a lonely, bitter old man, we can all look back on these threads and not have to wonder why.

I'm not lonely, but I may be in the future, who knows? Hopefully I won't be. One thing I do know, is I would rather be lonely than to be with someone I'm not happy with.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I don't. I also wouldn't date a woman unless I want something serious from her. What's the point? I don't date just to be dating, nor do I casual date. I date "one" women, and I get serious with "one" woman, so why would I take her to a high end place if I don't even know her? For all I know she could be a low down woman who uses nice guys and commits herself to low down, thuggish, spinelss K Fed, 50 cent looking jokers. Bad boys like these idiots damn sure aren't going to take her anywhere except to the bedroom, and that's it. Women that fool around with these sorry, poor excuses for men, suck and aren't worth my time.

Fellas, be very leery about where you take your dates. There are other things worth your time you could have spent that cash on.

Sweetie, we know you ain't one of those thuggish brothas that like to take a girl around the whirl... But, really, you don't know a woman without taking her out in some fashion--not to a high end restaurant, but to Burger King for lunch or something...

Some women's self esteems are so low and they need a rough neck thug to abuse them...

Then, some of these low self esteemed women regain their strength and decide that being with the nice guys are worthy of their hard efforts...

Then, there are some women who know a treasure when they see it...

I don't know what part of the "cycle" these women you are encountering are in, but it seems like they reside in the first one.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Sweetie, we know you ain't one of those thuggish brothas that like to take a girl around the whirl... But, really, you don't know a woman without taking her out in some fashion--not to a high end restaurant, but to Burger King for lunch or something...

Some women's self esteems are so low and they need a rough neck thug to abuse them...

Then, some of these low self esteemed women regain their strength and decide that being with the nice guys are worthy of their hard efforts...

Then, there are some women who know a treasure when they see it...

I don't know what part of the "cycle" these women you are encountering are in, but it seems like they reside in the first one.

I don't hang out with women with low self esteem.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

^^^PB sweetheart, you never take a 1st date--a woman who you are considering seriously--to a high end restaurant.

Besides, I am amazed by y'all fellas--all good women know a way to a man's heart is through his stomach... Most ladies who want you to EAT WELL, COOK and FEED their men...

Don't believe me? That's how I got married to my husband...

^^^^ agreed and actually what I have done sometimes which has yielded success is COOK and then take her out (if she isn't suffering from the 'itis already! LOL)


Gents sometimes all we have to do is employ the same strategem....COOOOOOOK!!

[James]

The problem is that if we get rid of all role behaviors in courtship rituals no one knows what to do or where they stand.

As far as treating her to an expensive dinner or not, its not actually about her. Its about you and how you value yourself.

If she turns out to be an evil whore, or just someone not compatible, it in no way diminishes your generosity or behavior.

But to use the possibility that she is a tramp to justify being cheap is disingenuous.

Its true that being a gentleman is about making people comfortable around you, but primarily its something we do to match our own self concept.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Animate I feel you. It's funny how some of these women talk about being in the millenium and how it's a different time, but as soon as it's time to put some food in her stomach, now all of a sudden we're back in the 50's so the dude can pay for an expensive a$$ meal. She gets straight up Mickey D's from me (on the 1st date) and she's lucky if she gets Subway since it is more of a healthy fast food.

ETA: I believe that the man should be a gentleman and pay for a "lady", but not a hoe. Hell, if I were a broke joker, I wouldn't give a hoe a food stamp.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by James

The problem is that if we get rid of all role behaviors in courtship rituals no one knows what to do or where they stand.

As far as treating her to an expensive dinner or not, its not actually about her. Its about you and how you value yourself.

If she turns out to be an evil whore, or just someone not compatible, it in no way diminishes your generosity or behavior.

But to use the possibility that she is a tramp to justify being cheap is disingenuous.

Its true that being a gentleman is about making people comfortable around you, but primarily its something we do to match our own self concept.

I agree with you 100%, but I don't like being used. AKA Monet is also right. I used to take 1st dates to nice places all the time, but I would never do that now, at least for the 1st few months. I always wait to see if she takes interest in "me", not the places I take her. I also do this, in case I have to go back to these places because nothing is ever promised, and that way she won't care because she's been there before. But believe me, I do believe in treating a lady like a lady, I always have and I always will, I'm just not going to associate myself with women who don't respect themselves. A woman who doesn't respect herself will not respect me, and I refuse to be some low class woman's sugar daddy. But thanks for that James you're absolutely right, but again, to be around a low down snake is a waste of my time, so I don't give them the time of day anymore like I used to.

[catiebug]

I <3 James.

'nuff said.

Originally Posted by James

The problem is that if we get rid of all role behaviors in courtship rituals no one knows what to do or where they stand.

As far as treating her to an expensive dinner or not, its not actually about her. Its about you and how you value yourself.

If she turns out to be an evil whore, or just someone not compatible, it in no way diminishes your generosity or behavior.

But to use the possibility that she is a tramp to justify being cheap is disingenuous.

Its true that being a gentleman is about making people comfortable around you, but primarily its something we do to match our own self concept.