NPHC Traditions and Practices that annoy you

rhoyaltempest · #1 12-18-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting. But I don't see how that gives the "newer heads" a better perspective on today's hazing. Especially since it is the same old, same old crazy stuff. The difference, I think, is that states now have laws against it and so it is reported in the media more. Oh and the internet.

Well I think the newer heads (not new, not seasoned) are in a unique position because they are closer in age to the undergrads but not so close that they don't understand the business side of the sorority and how hazing impacts it. Some undergrads just don't get it no matter how much you preach to them because they are not mature enough yet and they are passionate and emotional about how they feel. But in my experience, it's the newer heads that are able to reach them the most. Many of them understand that hazing and pledging are two different things in the undergrad's mind and that what many of them want is a process that they can be proud of...that they have contributed their ideas to. Until their ideas are considered, change is slow coming although I do think that the sororities have a fighting chance because I never thought that things would change as much as they have. Hazing among the fraternities, on the other hand, is a whole different beast.

ladygreek · #2 12-18-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Well I think the newer heads (not new, not seasoned) are in a unique position because they are closer in age to the undergrads but not so close that they don't understand the business side of the sorority and how hazing impacts it. Some undergrads just don't get it no matter how much you preach to them because they are not mature enough yet and they are passionate and emotional about how they feel. But in my experience, it's the newer heads that are able to reach them the most. Many of them understand that hazing and pledging are two different things in the undergrad's mind and that what many of them want is a process that they can be proud of...that they have contributed their ideas to. Until their ideas are considered, change is slow coming although I do think that the sororities have a fighting chance because I never thought that things would change as much as they have. Hazing among the fraternities, on the other hand, is a whole different beast.

Okay, gotcha. But on the flip side they can do more damage if they are gypsy moths themselves.

OOhsoflyDELTA#9 · #3 12-18-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Okay, gotcha. But on the flip side they can do more damage if they are gypsy moths themselves.

if a gypsy moth means that there are newheads (and some oldheads) that are part of the alumnae chapters of sororities that know about or participate in hazing at the undergrad level but fake the funk when at their own chapter meetings or events, then yes it happens quite often...and this helps keep the pledging/hazing mentality alive...there are a lot of grown 30+ year old women who believe that MIP is not enough and will if not take part in, turn their heads to whats happening in undergrad chapters but cry foul when it blows up...

HiddenTreazure · #4 11-20-2008, 05:27 PM

This is the truth. The double standards that prevail in Greek Life. NPHC did us a great disservice in 1990. I don't believe the MIP process was well-defined or thoroughly planned. I still can't comprehend the MIP in general terms.

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Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9

if a gypsy moth means that there are newheads (and some oldheads) that are part of the alumnae chapters of sororities that know about or participate in hazing at the undergrad level but fake the funk when at their own chapter meetings or events, then yes it happens quite often...and this helps keep the pledging/hazing mentality alive...there are a lot of grown 30+ year old women who believe that MIP is not enough and will if not take part in, turn their heads to whats happening in undergrad chapters but cry foul when it blows up...

Senusret I · #5 11-20-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HiddenTreazure

This is the truth. The double standards that prevail in Greek Life. NPHC did us a great disservice in 1990. I don't believe the MIP process was well-defined or thoroughly planned. I still can't comprehend the MIP in general terms.

Eh.... it wasn't the NPHC. And whether MIP was well-defined or thoroughly planned really depends on the organization in question.

ladygreek · #6 11-20-2008, 08:19 PM

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Eh.... it wasn't the NPHC. And whether MIP was well-defined or thoroughly planned really depends on the organization in question.

Exactly, because we developed and tested the DST MIP three years before the NPHC presidents voted to all adopt a MIP and tweak it for their own individual orgs.

IlovemyAKA · #7 11-20-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HiddenTreazure

This is the truth. The double standards that prevail in Greek Life. NPHC did us a great disservice in 1990. I don't believe the MIP process was well-defined or thoroughly planned. I still can't comprehend the MIP in general terms.

Are you still active? If so, the terminology & procedures will probably become more familiar with time.

HiddenTreazure · #8 11-20-2008, 11:37 PM

It's not that I don't comprehend MIP, it's that I don't understand how it was envisioned to develop better Greeks. Hazing/pledging still hasn't been depleted and it never will. But, yes, I was made aware the HBCU presidents threatened to kick BGLOs off the yard if we didn't fix our pledge processes. I guess if you don't like it spearhead a way of fixing it, eh? By the way, you all feel free to school me. I crossed into Zeta Phi Beta Fall 2005, not too long ago at all, so I'm definitely learning new things everyday.

DrPhil · #9 11-20-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HiddenTreazure

It's not that I don't comprehend MIP, it's that I don't understand how it was envisioned to develop better Greeks. Hazing/pledging still hasn't been depleted and it never will. But, yes, I was made aware the HBCU presidents threatened to kick BGLOs off the yard if we didn't fix our pledge processes. I guess if you don't like it spearhead a way of fixing it, eh? By the way, you all feel free to school me. I crossed into Zeta Phi Beta Fall 2005, not too long ago at all, so I'm definitely learning new things everyday.

As ladygreek said, you strip away all the extra stuff and you have MIP. What better way to develop better members than to get back to the basics of education and training.

ladygreek · #10 11-21-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HiddenTreazure

It's not that I don't comprehend MIP, it's that I don't understand how it was envisioned to develop better Greeks. Hazing/pledging still hasn't been depleted and it never will. But, yes, I was made aware the HBCU presidents threatened to kick BGLOs off the yard if we didn't fix our pledge processes. I guess if you don't like it spearhead a way of fixing it, eh? By the way, you all feel free to school me. I crossed into Zeta Phi Beta Fall 2005, not too long ago at all, so I'm definitely learning new things everyday.

Obviously your process is different from ours. Done correctly it does develop better Greeks who are knowledgable, committed, and bad memories-free. And guess what? Serious bonding does start.

ladygreek · #11 11-20-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HiddenTreazure

This is the truth. The double standards that prevail in Greek Life. NPHC did us a great disservice in 1990. I don't believe the MIP process was well-defined or thoroughly planned. I still can't comprehend the MIP in general terms.

Simple. Strip away all of the BS and you have MIP.

And don't forget that we really had no choice but to develop MIPs if we wanted to stay on the major HBCU campuses. As you probably learned in your process, those presidents threatened to kick us all off the yard.