"Fratty"

[Kevin]

It sounds like you obsess overmuch with power and wealth in those vaunted Southern chapters. My personal view is that I don't give a crap what a member wears so long as he conducts himself according to the very high expectations of his active brothers and alumni. Who cares if he drives a lowered Honda? Who cares if he shops at certain stores in the mall? Those are utterly stupid reasons to consider oneself better than another person. Hair gel? Are you kidding me?

For all your hoity-toity holier-than-thou-ness, you seem to forget that part of having class is being able to not judge a book by its cover.

I guess you're a-okay with a serial rapist in your house so long as he only wears the pony, and other similar brands, wouldn't disturb his well-kept mane with any sort of artificial product, only drinks the finest single malt scotch whiskeys, and drives a late-model BMW and has an allowance from his parents which is high enough to maintain a fratty lifestyle?

There are excellent chapters nationwide. My own chapter is pretty southern-oriented, and yes, image is something we are conscious of (as like it or not, that has a direct effect on the overall success of your operation). I think, however, that our primary criterion in membership selection is character -- definitely not wealth or upbringing, and we do quite well.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It sounds like you obsess overmuch with power and wealth in those vaunted Southern chapters. My personal view is that I don't give a crap what a member wears so long as he conducts himself according to the very high expectations of his active brothers and alumni. Who cares if he drives a lowered Honda? Who cares if he shops at certain stores in the mall? Those are utterly stupid reasons to consider oneself better than another person. Hair gel? Are you kidding me?

For all your hoity-toity holier-than-thou-ness, you seem to forget that part of having class is being able to not judge a book by its cover.

I guess you're a-okay with a serial rapist in your house so long as he only wears the pony, and other similar brands, wouldn't disturb his well-kept mane with any sort of artificial product, only drinks the finest single malt scotch whiskeys, and drives a late-model BMW and has an allowance from his parents which is high enough to maintain a fratty lifestyle?

There are excellent chapters nationwide. My own chapter is pretty southern-oriented, and yes, image is something we are conscious of (as like it or not, that has a direct effect on the overall success of your operation). I think, however, that our primary criterion in membership selection is character -- definitely not wealth or upbringing, and we do quite well.

I agree that character is the primary criterion in membership selection, wealth and upbringing are minor factors for my chapter although I know that old row chapters at the SEC schools are very focused on this. We do prefer for our members to dress a certain way as to keep a certain image for us. We prefer dressing fratty to wearing our letters, people can just tell when guys are in fraternities and girls are in sororities here.
The main thing I want to know is are there any fratty chapters at northern schools? Being in Big12 country doesn't count either, I'm talking about the Big 10 and northern ACC schools here.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I agree that character is the primary criterion in membership selection, wealth and upbringing are minor factors for my chapter although I know that old row chapters at the SEC schools are very focused on this. We do prefer for our members to dress a certain way as to keep a certain image for us. We prefer dressing fratty to wearing our letters, people can just tell when guys are in fraternities and girls are in sororities here.
The main thing I want to know is are there any fratty chapters at
northern schools? Being in Big12 country doesn't count either, I'm talking about the Big 10 and northern ACC schools here.

If I ever met a guy at Penn State (there were 52 fraternities there when I was there) who called himself "fratty", I would have laughed in his face. And I don't get why you all want to play dress up every day and look the same -- don't you want to be distinguishable between houses? And couldn't perps just wear nice clothes and pretend to be in the "fratty" ranks? I always thought the good-looking guys in their letters or backwards caps looked great. I'd look askance at guys who looked like they got up "extra early" just to iron their slacks and get ready for class. If you can't "roll and go" and look good, I don't care what brand collared shirt you're wearing.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

If I ever met a guy at Penn State (there were 52 fraternities there when I was there) who called himself "fratty", I would have laughed in his face. And I don't get why you all want to play dress up every day and look the same -- don't you want to be distinguishable between houses? And couldn't perps just wear nice clothes and pretend to be in the "fratty" ranks? I always thought the good-looking guys in their letters or backwards caps looked great. I'd look askance at guys who looked like they got up "extra early" just to iron their slacks and get ready for class. If you can't "roll and go" and look good, I don't care what brand collared shirt you're wearing.

As I said before, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want some of these fellows to come to a Steeler game in full "fratty" attire/attitude.

[62231]

Originally Posted by 33girl

As I said before, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want some of these fellows to come to a Steeler game in full "fratty" attire/attitude.

Haha, I won't make that mistake again. My date and I had trash thrown at us during an ACC game. She was wearing a dress.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Haha, I won't make that mistake again. My date and I had trash thrown at us during an ACC game. She was wearing a dress.

Not all ACC schools are garbage, FSU, GaTech, UVa, etc. have respectable greek systems.
I love going to a game in a shirt and tie with my date wearing a dress, I can't explain why.
And the lack of tradition thing can be misconstrued, most fraternities were founded in the north but you have to clarify that you're talking about a different kind of tradition.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Not all ACC schools are garbage, FSU, GaTech, UVa, etc. have respectable greek systems.

Here's a difference for you: KA at Maryland is heavily Jewish, African-American, and Asian-American.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Haha, I won't make that mistake again. My date and I had trash thrown at us during an ACC game. She was wearing a dress.

The Steelers are not in the ACC. I don't know what the heck you're talking about.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Haha, I won't make that mistake again. My date and I had trash thrown at us during an ACC game. She was wearing a dress.

Was that at UMD by any chance? That sounds like us.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

If I ever met a guy at Penn State (there were 52 fraternities there when I was there) who called himself "fratty", I would have laughed in his face. And I don't get why you all want to play dress up every day and look the same -- don't you want to be distinguishable between houses? And couldn't perps just wear nice clothes and pretend to be in the "fratty" ranks? I always thought the good-looking guys in their letters or backwards caps looked great. I'd look askance at guys who looked like they got up "extra early" just to iron their slacks and get ready for class. If you can't "roll and go" and look good, I don't care what brand collared shirt you're wearing.

Nothing is frattier than a wrinkled polo with khakis...

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Nothing is frattier than a wrinkled polo with khakis...

Yeah, but nothing's more of a turn-off than a pretentious guy.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yeah, but nothing's more of a turn-off than a pretentious guy.

I'm glad that real southern girls aren't turned off by me. Why so inflammatory, I'm not saying I'm better than greeks from the north, just wanting to discuss the differences.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I just wanted to start a thread discussing the differences between northern and southern fraternities, there seems to be a lot of bad blood there.

If you're still wondering why there's "bad blood" there...how about you read over your posts a couple times???

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Nothing is frattier than a wrinkled polo with khakis...

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Not all ACC schools are garbage, FSU, GaTech, UVa, etc. have respectable greek systems.
I love going to a game in a shirt and tie with my date wearing a dress, I can't explain why.
And the lack of tradition thing can be misconstrued, most fraternities were founded in the north but you have to clarify that you're talking about a different kind of tradition.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I'm glad that real southern girls aren't turned off by me. Why so inflammatory, I'm not saying I'm better than greeks from the north, just wanting to discuss the differences.

You aren't? It looks like that's exactly what you're saying.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I'm not saying I'm better than greeks from the north, just wanting to discuss the differences.

For what? It's already been explained that the thread can go nowhere but downhill. Even your fellow "fratty" lover SECdomination has stated this fact. What you really want to explain is how your fratty/southern ways are much better because blah blah blah blah blah. The conversation has been held already. If you would like to engage in such convo, do so vicariously by reading the old thread that you referenced or striking up a PM conversation with SECdomination.

[62231]

Unfortunately, you probably won't get a good discussion here.

The yanks get immediately offended and tell us how we can't read because we're inbred.
Then we point out their lack of tradition and mediocre chapters.
Next they get all upset about how down south, when giving bids, we only worry about Dad's social status, and if you drive and American-made truck or SUV. (which is not true)
...and it's all downhill from there.