Who is this Ron Paul?

[southernfrat]

This may be a political trick but the observations about Hilary are very believable in my eyes. If any of yall have ever seen the Manchurian Candidate she reminds me of the mother of the presidential candidate. Every time I see a picture or hear her voice I am overwhelmed by a sense of fear that this person can possibly be leading our country for four years. Her recent actions involving dirty politics just strengthens this description that pins Hilary as a "bitch".

[DGTess]

It's called R-U-M-O-R. Even if it were true, there is no way to verify. It's among the oldest political tricks in the book.

Why do campaigns use it? Because college kids love to toss it around the internet the way we used to tell campfire stories.

Those who have been through freshman logic, or some course that requires objective thought, should be able to see through all of them.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DGTess

It's called R-U-M-O-R. Even if it were true, there is no way to verify. It's among the oldest political tricks in the book.

Why do campaigns use it? Because college kids love to toss it around the internet the way we used to tell campfire stories.

Those who have been through freshman logic, or some course that requires objective thought, should be able to see through all of them.

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

Does not, in truth, matter how old one is or educated one is. Too many people fall for these mass e-mails.

Several people in my office sent around stories/urban legends like this. And even after I showed people that they were false, I was told why would I want to stop people from talking about them?????!!!!

People just want to wish that somethings are true.

As others have already pointed out, if I receive an e-mail telling/asking me to send to everyone I know I do not.
Not before I check it with the following sites:
About com/Urban Legends, Folklore & Myths:
http://www.snopes.com
http://urbanlegends.about.com
http://kumite.com/myths/
http://truthorfiction.com/
http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/
http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/default.htm

[jon1856]

Talking about records, here is a rather interesting story from New York Magazine on "America's Mayor":
Rudy Has Seen the Enemy and He Is...Us

http://nymag.com/news/features/41550/

Well worth the read. I was very happy that my doctor was running late

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

No, I am not a college kid anynore, I am a graduate of my University.

I try and keep up on Political topics and have voted in every election since I turned 18 which is the voting age.

It has always been my contention that if you do not vote, do not complain.

Politicals many times have feet of clay and it has become a profession, not a drive to do the best job one can do for the citizens. Dang little if at all.

Now they changed the name of Pork Bellies to something more PC correct and it still is the same under a differnt name. So, this helps you how?

If I am asuming, you are of teh middle class, when was the last time you got a tax break?

What is your cost for gas, bread, milk, eggs or any other needs for your family?

Do you have money to spend on fun things? No.

What I used to go and get two paper bags of food is now in two plastic bags. When I used to get a full tank of gas with $20.00, now I get a 1/2 a tank of gas.

So where is your extra money going?

Do yopu know any Legislatures who leave Congress poor?

They are interested in one thing only! Guess what/who=them!

I was backing Ron Paul, and read more up on him and his beleifs and he is a little/lot off the wall.

# 1, the Inner Belt will never allow him to get what he proposses. It has happened before and will continue to be the norm.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

No, I am not a college kid anynore, I am a graduate of my University.

I try and keep up on Political topics and have voted in every election since I turned 18 which is the voting age.

Tom Earp, if your birthday is in 1942 then you would have turned 18 in 1960. However, the 26th Amendment wasn't ratified until 1971. Were you voting Chicago-style?

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

If the Republican party wants any chance of winning in the general election, they will have to, repeat, have to nominate Ron Paul because frankly, the rest of the candidates are exactly like George W. Bush, whether they want to admit it or not. And some (most?) are worse.

Ron Paul makes a nice emotional speech, but can you really see him doing any of the big things he promises? Can you envision a United States that pulls out of Iraq overnight and, in the process, makes a very symbolic and somewhat real abandonment of Israel and Saudi Arabia? Can you explain logistically how Ron Paul could eliminate the IRS during his term? Can you explain how the US could go back on the gold standard and have any hope of remaining a leading power in the world economic system?

Ron Paul makes a lot of big promises that sound really nice to people who are angry and just want to throw their fists in the air and say "yeaaahhhh" while they are watching him on TV- but just what could he do in real life? How has he presented any comprehensive set of positions and promised actions that could ever happen?

As for who gets the nomination, if it is not a worthy candidate- then Hillary will win and so be it. I would be much happier with someone of her competence and intelligence in office than an ineffective goofball who will give me a replay of the last 8 years.

If you look at state level votes on social issues in recent elections, sentiment on foreign policy and the growing anger with taxes and border control- it is clear the country is very slowly moving to the right. It has been coming since 1994 and is still moving that way. Modern liberalism really got started in the 1960s and it took 30 years for those ideals and political concepts to take root- and they have seen their peak.

If the GOP cannot put forth a good candidate- then that is our bad and we deserve to lose. And by losing we will hopefully get through this identity crisis a bit sooner and start focusing on fiscal issues and quit getting into social issues which are not the government's business.

In the mean time, give me Hillary anyday over a Republican candidate who can make a good speech- but who does not have the discretion and pragmatism to be an effective President.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

Oh, I just wonder what this post refered to?

Snarky retort?

Sad to say the least!

I would expect more from someone like you.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

This may be a political trick but the observations about Hilary are very believable in my eyes. If any of yall have ever seen the Manchurian Candidate she reminds me of the mother of the presidential candidate. Every time I see a picture or hear her voice I am overwhelmed by a sense of fear that this person can possibly be leading our country for four years. Her recent actions involving dirty politics just strengthens this description that pins Hilary as a "bitch".

Her voice scares you? Damn, men really are afraid of a powerful woman, huh?

There are plenty of men in politics that could be called a$$#00!#s, but that only seems to get them victories. Do you honestly think a woman could ever be elected in this country by being sweet-as-pie? You know that you wouldn't take any woman like that seriously...she'd be seen as all mush, no substance. And now when a woman of substance stands up and speaks powerfully, in a way that she knows is the best way to get attention, you still say she's doing it all wrong? How would you propose a woman position herself as capable of leading the most powerful country in the world? Capable of, frankly, pushing other countries to work with us and/or do as we tell them? Capable of commanding the military and sending our nation's young people to war when needed, no matter the loss of life? Capable of pushing an agenda through a Congress that is made up overwhelmingly of white male lawyers? Is she supposed to do it with sugar?

You're scared of her photo and voice? Try doing what American women have done for decades of elections - sit down and listen.

[southernfrat]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

You're scared of her photo and voice? Try doing what American women have done for decades of elections - sit down and listen.

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that i'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisors

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that I'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like Romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that Hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisers

One could say just about the same things about Rudy.
And all of them have some sort of ball & chain.

So perhaps we should stay on issues?
And also down load spell check.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that i'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisors

I agree Hillary has changed to appeal to the folks her advisors tell her she needs to reel in. But I don't know of any politician that doesn't, and they'd probably be foolish not to in many cases.

You misunderstood what I was saying about leading the country into war, etc. I said she was speaking and presenting herself as a powerful man would, basically making herself look more "presidential." As for far left rhetoric, I find far right rhetoric just as scary. But Hillary is by no means far left - she's actually extremely moderate.

Now, your comments on her not being able to keep her husband interested in her are just nasty and disgusting. He cheated, and that's his fault only. Free will and all that. If that's the way you interpret intimate relationships, I pity the woman that would marry you.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

What I mean is, I, and I assume many others, just won't vote for a woman.

Well, that's fine, but then just man-up and say it straight out like that rather than harping on personal, subjective things about her as a woman, in her marriage, etc., so you can somehow make your not voting for her HER fault. Own your misogyny, don't find an excuse for it.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

She's trying to play the part of a man, because she wants a man's job. Nothing personal towards you, or women in general, but I could never vote for a woman who was as masculine (acting) as Hillary.
BUT, I could never vote for a woman who was traditionally feminine and "soft" like you said (Laura Bush).
What I mean is, I, and I assume many others, just won't vote for a woman.

Wow... just wow.

Newsflash buddy it's the twenty first century not the ninetieth.