Latino Greek Letter Organizations

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by nitido357

What Juan Jose del Monte calls himself outside the U.S. was brought up by me because northeast Spanish people (jeje) tend to be newer than the hispanics endemic to the nation that live in New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, California, etc. Thus, you would expect more of the culture from their country of origin present in the latter generations there, at least imho. withhold the X on this one

Again a blanket assertation. But everyone has a right to the own opinion.

Originally Posted by nitido357

Look I get it, Beantown people called themselves spanish in the 70's...right? that's why my Grandfather (old school, smoove Dominicano) who lived in the Boston area in the late 70's worked at the Hispanic American Center (don't remember where it was, but it was somewhere there). That's why my mom and her sisters and brothers in suburban-ass New Hampshire were called hispanic by their mostly white classmates.

Your grandfather worked at the HAC, so what's the point of that info?

Originally Posted by nitido357

I just thought that a person with an advanced degree in Latin American Studies such as yourself would have more of an open mind than just her academics and her anecdotal knowledge. I admit I made a mistake.

I'm not sure that my statements of "people should be called what they wish" and "neither you or I can/should determine how a person should self identify" can get any more open minded, but if you have an idea, please share.

Originally Posted by nitido357

The Red Sox Rule!!!!!

You earned a point for this one, but I had to drop it down to 1/2 a point because you failed to mention the Patriots.

[nitido357]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

Again a blanket assertation. But everyone has a right to the own opinion.


Your grandfather worked at the HAC, so what's the point of that info?



I'm not sure that my statements of "people should be called what they wish" and "neither you or I can/should determine how a person should self identify" can get any more open minded, but if you have an idea, please share.


You earned a point for this one, but I had to drop it down to 1/2 a point because you failed to mention the Patriots.

Blanket assertion? you gotta be kidding me...the abuelo thing? put that out there just wondering why it wasn't called the Spanish-american center since it was "accepted"...and thanks for the medio punto...the Pats are overrated anyways...they've almost crumbled once or twice to relatively subpar teams...

being open minded to me is more than being PC and saying "we are the world and you can be the world too" is to actually hear what another person is saying instead of throwing it right back and saying "you wrong dawg, go read a book or some articles"

I'm done. I originally expressed my disagreement and asked for more proof to your theory (cause it is after all, a theory) and you tossed a tittle at the thread and whatever came after was just the usual "it's your opinion and you are entitled to it, I done turneth my nose upeth and thine thoughts and knowledgeth are thine and not mineth"

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by the way, the whole changing of the "Latino Fraternity/Sorority" to "Multicultural" is interesting to me...on one hand it puts in question the plurality that is Hispanic culture and on the other it brings up possible recruitment shortfalls caused by the term.

It's definitely complex, and I truly can't see me siding with one side or the other...

[brownsugar952]

There are some people that call themselves black, afro-american, african-american, and there are still people that call themselves colored (please don't ever use that term). It happens. I don't understand why people are so upset that some are admitting that there are people still in this country using the less "correct" term. It's really nothing to argue about.

Originally Posted by nitido357

by the way, the whole changing of the "Latino Fraternity/Sorority" to "Multicultural" is interesting to me...on one hand it puts in question the plurality that is Hispanic culture and on the other it brings up possible recruitment shortfalls caused by the term.

It's definitely complex, and I truly can't see me siding with one side or the other...

I think that if a latina sorority all of a sudden starts calling themselves multicultural because the latin culture is diverse, then every single sorority could call themselves multicultural. Asian culture is diverse. European culture is diverse.... I think the tag on "multicultural" term is used for recruitment purposes only and the excuse of the latino culture being diverse is used to justify it. i have found that at universities where there is a small latino population, they like to boost they are multicultural. But in areas that there is a strong latino representation, they emphasize that they are latina based. I don't think you can have it both ways. It is against the law to discriminate against others based on race. Just because an organization has let in a couple of "others", it doesn't mean they should just add to their founding principles. These days it would be really hard to find any organization that doesn't have different ethnic groups represented.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by brownsugar952

I think that if a latina sorority all of a sudden starts calling themselves multicultural because the latin culture is diverse, then every single sorority could call themselves multicultural. Asian culture is diverse. European culture is diverse.... I think the tag on "multicultural" term is used for recruitment purposes only and the excuse of the latino culture being diverse is used to justify it. i have found that at universities where there is a small latino population, they like to boost they are multicultural. But in areas that there is a strong latino representation, they emphasize that they are latina based. I don't think you can have it both ways. It is against the law to discriminate against others based on race. Just because an organization has let in a couple of "others", it doesn't mean they should just add to their founding principles. These days it would be really hard to find any organization that doesn't have different ethnic groups represented.

Amen.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by nitido357

Blanket assertion? you gotta be kidding me...the abuelo thing? put that out there just wondering why it wasn't called the Spanish-american center since it was "accepted"...and thanks for the medio punto...the Pats are overrated anyways...they've almost crumbled once or twice to relatively subpar teams...

This is why I said you don't read. No where did I state that "Spanish" was the only descriptor used for Latinos in the North East. What I did say, for the millionth time, is that I had never heard it used until college. It does not surprise me that the HAC was titled the HAC because the use of the term "Spanish" was more colloquial/everyday vs. formal (naming of institutions, university departments, etc.) "Accepted" does not mean universal.

Originally Posted by nitido357

being open minded to me is more than being PC and saying "we are the world and you can be the world too" is to actually hear what another person is saying instead of throwing it right back and saying "you wrong dawg, go read a book or some articles"

I heard what you said and did not disagree with you on most points. What I did disagree with was you attempting to negate my personal experiences, and your use of "misinformed latinos" and the assertion that Latino is better therefore everyone who falls under the category should use it.

Originally Posted by nitido357

I'm done. I originally expressed my disagreement and asked for more proof to your theory (cause it is after all, a theory) and you tossed a tittle at the thread and whatever came after was just the usual "it's your opinion and you are entitled to it, I done turneth my nose upeth and thine thoughts and knowledgeth are thine and not mineth"

Just because I disagree with you, and am defending my point, does not mean I'm turning my nose up at you. If you got anything besides disagreement that is because you read too much into it. The RIF statement was because you continue to argue without reading what I wrote (as it is) and instead read what you thought I was saying.