npc expansion

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Now by "PHC reps" do you mean the Panhellenic delegates? It's not really the delegates' decision, but that of your sorority's NPC Delegate (with some input from your chapter). I would think you would need a majority to allow another group to come. Do the interest groups want to affiliate with Panhellenic as local sororities or affiliate with an NPC sorority (and with Panhellenic)?

Our PHC is actually ONLY NPC groups; our campus does not permit local sororities. So technically speaking, they are the NPC reps from each org. From what I understand, each rep brought it to their orgs, they took a vote and the outcome of the vote reflected the reps' decisions. One chapter actually contacted their national office, and they told them they had to vote no.

The groups would be NPC orgs and would not be allowed to continue with the process of becoming a local should NPC expansion not happen.

Originally Posted by Glitter650

Do you need an expansion, or are you just discussing it because these two orgs want to join Panhellenic ?

In the opinion of two orgs, we do not *need* expansion. Orgs have consistently had trouble reaching total, and quota does not call for another organization.



From what has been hinted to us, it is that no matter what our vote turned out to be, the Director of Student Activities has the final say. If we voted no, she could very well override it and say yes. It's a little discouraging to say it's up to us, and then someone else [who is not at all active in the Greek department] makes their own decision. Although our NPC adviser mentioned that if the orgs selected to present were made aware of this, they would side with the decision of NPC. Not sure about that, anyone know?

[AZ-AlphaXi]

Your place to get the best answer would be to contact your National NPC delegate, she can tell you for certain.

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

Your place to get the best answer would be to contact your National NPC delegate, she can tell you for certain.

Perhaps. She's been in contact with us lately regarding spiffing up recruitment, but she hasn't mentioned anything about this. I was under the impression that the individual national orgs would choose whether or not to present depending on what campus NPC voted, despite a Student Life Director inviting them.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by luv n tpa

In the opinion of two orgs, we do not *need* expansion. Orgs have consistently had trouble reaching total, and quota does not call for another organization.

From what has been hinted to us, it is that no matter what our vote turned out to be, the Director of Student Activities has the final say. If we voted no, she could very well override it and say yes. It's a little discouraging to say it's up to us, and then someone else [who is not at all active in the Greek department] makes their own decision. Although our NPC adviser mentioned that if the orgs selected to present were made aware of this, they would side with the decision of NPC. Not sure about that, anyone know?

I would think that the orgs to present should be made aware of everything you mentioned - it was a tie vote, tie broken by someone who is not knowledgeable in Greek life, the groups that are there can't get to total. Even if the school doesn't tell them that expressly, they'll hear it through the grapevine.

After knowing all that, I don't think any group's decision would be a question of "siding" with NPC - it would just be common sense. It doesn't sound like a good opportunity. Nothing against your campus, it just seems that the climate right now isn't good for colonizing another NPC group.

Are the two groups of girls women who have previously gone through rush, or are they the kind who are saying "we have something wonderful and different" without checking what's there to begin with? Would they be amenable to a national social/professional or social/service sorority?

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Are the two groups of girls women who have previously gone through rush, or are they the kind who are saying "we have something wonderful and different" without checking what's there to begin with? Would they be amenable to a national social/professional or social/service sorority?

One group was brought to our attention during the middle of fall [informal] recruitment. The Greek Director had told the girls in that group that they should go through recruitment first to make sure that they know what's already in place isn't for them. Out of about 30 girls at that time, 4 rushed that semester [and either they dropped or weren't bid]. We checked the list and none of the other names appeared to be familiar from previous semesters.

Group two came about after girls ended up not receiving bids this semester. If you've seen my post in the weird rush story thread, the leader of this group is the "let's make this happen" girl. Her and her friend, instead of joining up with the existing group of girls, rallied up the girls who didn't get bids and proceeded to start her own form of recruitment with a facebook group [including freshmen who have not been allowed to rush yet and others who have not gone through recruitment].

Each group of girls has about 50 on their respective lists [which is total]. They actually decided who they were "going to be." We quickly squashed that and told them it's a big no-no if they ever hoped to get the ball rolling.

I'm not sure about how they feel about being non-NPC. It seems to be pretty much all or nothing to them. They have a mindset of competition against each other to see which group will be permitted to go on with expansion, if it happens. "Let's make this happen" is in the Greek Director's office at least twice a week nagging her about when she'll know which organization they'll be allowed to become.

[33girl]

I just read those posts and literally LOLed.

The only thing this girl seems to be making "happen" is annoying everyone within a 500 yard radius.

[AGDee]

I think they are all failing to understand just how much the NPC delegates (on the inter/national level, not collegiate) communicate with each other. If, in fact, chapters are not at total and the general environment is not good for expansion, even if a Greek Life Advisor votes to expand, it doesn't mean that any NPC groups will actually send in packets, present, or follow through with an expansion. A Greek Advisor cannot force an NPC group to open a chapter on their campus.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think they are all failing to understand just how much the NPC delegates (on the inter/national level, not collegiate) communicate with each other. If, in fact, chapters are not at total and the general environment is not good for expansion, even if a Greek Life Advisor votes to expand, it doesn't mean that any NPC groups will actually send in packets, present, or follow through with an expansion. A Greek Advisor cannot force an NPC group to open a chapter on their campus.

Thank you! Very well said.

[Glitter650]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think they are all failing to understand just how much the NPC delegates (on the inter/national level, not collegiate) communicate with each other. If, in fact, chapters are not at total and the general environment is not good for expansion, even if a Greek Life Advisor votes to expand, it doesn't mean that any NPC groups will actually send in packets, present, or follow through with an expansion. A Greek Advisor cannot force an NPC group to open a chapter on their campus.

Well said, and from what it seems, the campus isnt' in need of a new chapter. if not all groups are at total, and NM classes are a reasonable size... why would you vote yes ?

[violetpretty]

For the most part, another chapter should be added only when all groups are at or very close to total. If the majority of groups are significantly below total, then perhaps total needs to be lowered.

The only exception (and I could see this being a good exception at a small school in particular) is if a niche is not being filled. If there are a lot of women cross-released (but still have a reasonable GPA) or these interest groups have something different to offer (and if they actually have a group wishing to affiliate), such as a Jewish interest group where there are no Jewish sororities on campus (just an example), then why not let them affiliate?

ETA: With that said, most of these women have not been through recruitment, so I am not sure how they know there isn't a place for them.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by luv n tpa

Group two came about after girls ended up not receiving bids this semester. If you've seen my post in the weird rush story thread, the leader of this group is the "let's make this happen" girl. Her and her friend, instead of joining up with the existing group of girls, rallied up the girls who didn't get bids and proceeded to start her own form of recruitment with a facebook group [including freshmen who have not been allowed to rush yet and others who have not gone through recruitment].

Each group of girls has about 50 on their respective lists [which is total]. They actually decided who they were "going to be." We quickly squashed that and told them it's a big no-no if they ever hoped to get the ball rolling.

Y'all have FIFTY girls who went through rush at 4 sororities and didn't get a bid?? Do y'all have the kind of rush where rushees can decline invites to 2nd Round (or later), and those 50 girls only accepted invites to the groups that were close to total, and declined the smaller group's invites?

If not - I know we have the right as GLOs to be picky - but the smaller groups couldn't find ANY of those 50 girls that met criteria?? The only other reason I could come up with is that those 50 were all under GPA requirement.

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Y'all have FIFTY girls who went through rush at 4 sororities and didn't get a bid?? Do y'all have the kind of rush where rushees can decline invites to 2nd Round (or later), and those 50 girls only accepted invites to the groups that were close to total, and declined the smaller group's invites?

If not - I know we have the right as GLOs to be picky - but the smaller groups couldn't find ANY of those 50 girls that met criteria?? The only other reason I could come up with is that those 50 were all under GPA requirement.

No no no no!! Barely ANY of them went through recruitment. The girl who started the second group wasn't bid and asked the 6-8 or so other girls not bid if they wanted to form some sort of interest group. It expanded from there with a Facebook group with freshman who have not been permitted to go to recruitment yet [deferred rush] and other girls who have never gone through.

Round 1 is mandatory; round two is not. We don't do invites to round 2, so they can choose whichever parties they wish. We tell girls if you don't go to all four, it's probably gonna bite you in the butt. Next round is pref; they can choose up to two, and we still recommend not suiciding. This was also informal recruitment, so girls who were pref'd are *not* guaranteed a place on a bid list, as they usually are for formal.

[AlphaFrog]

I'm sorry - I misunderstood. I read it as she rallied the girls who didn't get bids, and that was the complete makeup of that group of 50.

Are y'all allowed to do informationals with the Freshmen??? It might not be a bad idea to get all of the Greek-hopefuls together and let them know that these two groups are NOT university approved and NOT NPC groups, and do not (yet) have the approval to become NPCs. If you're a freshman and can't wait to rush, someone luring you in with "join our group NOW because you can" is probably pretty tempting if you are only fed BS and don't have the whole story.

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Are y'all allowed to do informationals with the Freshmen??? It might not be a bad idea to get all of the Greek-hopefuls together and let them know that these two groups are NOT university approved and NOT NPC groups, and do not (yet) have the approval to become NPCs. If you're a freshman and can't wait to rush, someone luring you in with "join our group NOW because you can" is probably pretty tempting if you are only fed BS and don't have the whole story.

We've never done anything like that [as far as I know]. We are concerned about them being manipulated about all of this, and although these groups aren't even Greek [yet], a stretch is to consider it dirty rushing. The freshman girls were told that should something happen this semester, they wouldn't be included since they don't have the credit & GPA requirements yet, but they will be included in future semesters. They were told all of this, mind you, after we cracked down on the groups for not telling them those rules and even for using the letters of the organizations they are 'going to become' on their web pages.

Formal begins the middle of February and we get back to school at the end of January, so I'll see if I can arrange some sort of informational session at the beginning of the semester. I just want these girls to actually come so they can hear it all.

[APhi Sailorgirl]

Originally Posted by luv n tpa

From what has been hinted to us, it is that no matter what our vote turned out to be, the Director of Student Activities has the final say. If we voted no, she could very well override it and say yes. It's a little discouraging to say it's up to us, and then someone else [who is not at all active in the Greek department] makes their own decision. Although our NPC adviser mentioned that if the orgs selected to present were made aware of this, they would side with the decision of NPC. Not sure about that, anyone know?

I would make sure to get this clarified ASAP. This is the case at many schools, where the final decision is with the administration.

And from my own collegiate expansion experience, NPC groups will come, will present, and the school will expand-even if the vote was against it, but adminstration wanted it. And our campus was similiar to yours tpa in terms of total and avg quota.

I agree with AlphaFrog, market market market, get a lot of girls interested in the process and give them the CORRECT information to avoid these groups interfering. Information sessions do work and they are a great place to get girls to sign up right there and give them the information right there.