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				Exactly..   
 
I still love Sesame Street...adults mess things up for no reason sometimes..
  
example: taking off saturday morning cartoons and replacing them with the drivel that's on now.    
			
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 I agree with this 100%. The parents that are screwing up childhood TV are the same ones that grew up watch SS and the likes. I'm still mad that Looney Tunes got taken off the air and put on Boomerang. Kids have no cartoons if they don't have cable.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				I agree with this 100%. The parents that are screwing up childhood TV are the same ones that grew up watch SS and the likes. I'm still mad that Looney Tunes got taken off the air and put on Boomerang. Kids have no cartoons if they don't have cable. 
			
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 Animate....just sort of a flipside...u ever seen any of the uncut Looney Toons stuff?
 
You would be surprised.
 
Altho I agree that a lot of that stuff is safer and saner than this garbage that is on now...Looney Toons really wasn't about the kids
 
Check some of the WWII toons if you ever find any.
 
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Stereotypes 
A handful of Looney Tunes shorts from the World War II era are no longer aired on American television nor are they available for sale by Warner Bros. because of the racial stereotypes of African-Americans, Jews (especially in the earlier cartoons, despite the fact that all four of the Warner Bros. were Jewish as well[2]), Japanese, Chinese people, and Germans (especially during WWII, as in "Tokio Jokio") included in some of the cartoons. Eleven cartoons that prominently featured stereotypical black characters (and a few passing jokes about Japanese people, as was the case with "Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs" and "Jungle Jitters") were withdrawn from distribution in 1968 and are known as the Censored Eleven. This has caused dismay among some animation enthusiasts, who feel that they should have access to these shorts. There has been some success in returning these cartoons to the public; in 1999 all Speedy Gonzales cartoons were made unavailable because of their alleged stereotyping of Mexicans, but because the level of stereotyping was minor compared to the World War II era cartoons as well as the protests of many Hispanics who said they were not offended and fondly remembered Speedy Gonzales cartoons from their youth, these shorts were made available for broadcast again in 2002.
 
In addition to these most notorious cartoons, many Warner cartoons contain fleeting or sometimes extended gags that reference then-common racial or ethnic stereotypes. The release of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 3 includes a disclaimer at the beginning of each DVD in the volume given by Whoopi Goldberg which explains that the cartoons are products of their time and contain racial and ethnic stereotypes that these days would be considered offensive, but the cartoons are going to be presented on the DVD uncut and uncensored because editing them out and therefore denying that the stereotypes existed is almost as bad as condoning them.
 
A written disclaimer, similar to the words spoken by Goldberg in Volume 3, is shown at the beginning of each DVD in the Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 4 set:
 
The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and they are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed.
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			I watched Bugs Bunny every Saturday of my childhood when it was on CBS.  Some of the cartoons were definitely cut to make them more kid-friendly.  They NEVER showed any of the WWII cartoons or any of the ones with Black stereotypes.  Tom & Jerry, on the other hand, I do remember a few of those - they had a "mammy" type housekeeper, who of course was seen only from the waist down (cat's-eye level).
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				Tom & Jerry, on the other hand, I do remember a few of those - they had a "mammy" type housekeeper, who of course was seen only from the waist down (cat's-eye level). 
			
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			Gosh! I remember seeing a lot of those Warner cartoons when I was little. I never really noticed. I was just watching a cartoon at the time. I didn't understand a "Mammy" or the "slow" negro concepts (and my parents never made any attempt to stop me from seeing them) that I do now. I thought it was entertaining and goofy.  
I guess I'd have to be able to watch them again to see if I still feel that way...Anyways, I'm trying to figure out what was so awful about SS. It's SS! It's FOR kids!  
 
Folks are always trying to claim that back in the day was sooo great and sooo wholesome. I guess now they're seeing that they got played. Now don't that beat all...
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				Animate....just sort of a flipside...u ever seen any of the uncut Looney Toons stuff? 
			
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 Those cartoons were sooooo racially charged.  Nothing more than racist propaganda comparable to the days of penny novels that spewed hatred to the masses. 
 
Some of the cartoon images that immediately come to my mind are:
 
The Africa baby with the bone sticking out of her hair.
 
The blackface depictions, particularly when "is you is or is you ain't my baby" was sung.
 
The faceless mammy in Tom and Jerry.
 
Not to mention Speedy Gonzalez.  Was that looney toons or warner bros.  Oh well. 
 
These things were an overtly racist sign of their overtly racist times.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				Those cartoons were sooooo racially charged.  Nothing more than racist propaganda comparable to the days of penny novels that spewed hatred to the masses.  
 
Some of the cartoon images that immediately come to my mind are: 
 
The Africa baby with the bone sticking out of her hair. 
 
The blackface depictions, particularly when "is you is or is you ain't my baby" was sung. 
 
The faceless mammy in Tom and Jerry. 
 
Not to mention Speedy Gonzalez.  Was that looney toons or warner bros.  Oh well.  
 
These things were an overtly racist sign of their overtly racist times. 
			
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 You hit it right on the head....I actually had a video tape of some of the WWII propoganda toons...sadly I lost in when I moved back in the 90s
 
And now I hear that for the last 2 years Disney has been wrapped up in a controversy about a DVD release of a little movie known as 'Song of the South"
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				And now I hear that for the last 2 years Disney has been wrapped up in a controversy about a DVD release of a little movie known as 'Song of the South" 
			
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 Little known?!  
 
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				Little known?!   
Once again, I am made to feel old.     
			
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 Zippity Doo-Dah, Zippity-Aye.
 
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				Little known?!   
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 Mystic...not 'little known" but ....'   a little movie known as 'Song of the South"...
 
I was trying to give it a little bit of dramatic effect.
 
LOL
 
On the other hand, a  lot of people younger than 40 don't know about that movie since Disney hasn't re-released it on video and is one of the few films that hasn't.
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				Mystic...not 'little known" but ....'   a little movie known as 'Song of the South"...
 
I was trying to give it a little bit of dramatic effect.
 
LOL
 
On the other hand, a  lot of people younger than 40 don't know about that movie since Disney hasn't re-released it on video and is one of the few films that hasn't.
 http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/sots.asp 
			
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 They keep saying that they are going to re-release it on DVD.  I keep looking for it, I loved the stories.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				Not to mention Speedy Gonzalez.  Was that looney toons or warner bros.  Oh well.  
			
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My Mexican husband thinks Speedy Gonzalez is hilarious.  Arriba, Arriba, Andele, Andele!!!
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				My Mexican husband thinks Speedy Gonzalez is hilarious.  Arriba, Arriba, Andele, Andele!!! 
			
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