starting a local on a non-greek campus

[AlwaysSAI]

If your org doesn't meet the guidelines to be recognized by campus that will cause many hurdles in advertising and recruiting new members.

Honestly, I'm in a co-ed fraternity. It's the most fun I've ever had--seriously. I love it. We have ritual, initiation--we're like every other greek org out there.

Maybe you could charter a chapter of Phi Sigma Pi because we are not at all affiliated with the social greek system. But, our main purpose is to foster fellowship among our members. (www.phisigmapi.org)

What about service orgs? They are not affiliated with the social greek system either. There are many service sororities out there. I know of Omega Phi Alpha and Gamma Sigma Sigma.

I would talk to your student activities office again and find out exactly what they define as "greek life" because there may be many loopholes that you could take advantage of.

Unless, of course, you really want something just like NPC.

[LPIDelta]

Just a question--if this organization is not going to be what you, as a founder, want it to be, then should you really want to proceed? Greek organizations are typically founded on certain values--and if this organization is not going to reprepsent your values of bringing WOMEN together, then I am not so sure I would want to move forward.

Can you work with the campus to change the rules, so to speak, or is that out of the question?

[lemons232]

All of the rules at my school are so strict and non-negotiable that we knew going into this that suing the school could be an option for creating a sorority. Needless to say that's a little too messy, so we're trying to work with the admins.
While I did say I wanted the organization to be about sisterhood and women, I have done some re-evaluating of my motivation. Since my campus is 66% women, I don't feel like there would really be a strong male presence. To ensure that we have female leadership (which surprisingly is a problem on my campus) I'm going to ask if we can have a rule of only women in the executive positions. I really want to make a group on campus that brings together people from every dorm, every major, with any interests. I think creating such an organization would be a positive impact on my campus which has always been my number one goal.
I'd appreciate any other advice/input. Thanks for the comments, it helped me put things in perspective!

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by lemons232

All of the rules at my school are so strict and non-negotiable that we knew going into this that suing the school could be an option for creating a sorority. Needless to say that's a little too messy, so we're trying to work with the admins.

Trying to work or negotiate through the process should always be the first and heck last choice - it's only when there isn't anymore choices or avenues open should you consider formal legal action... basically because if you go the litigation route you are more or less forcing each side into adversarial roles that can last a loooong time.

While I did say I wanted the organization to be about sisterhood and women, I have done some re-evaluating of my motivation. Since my campus is 66% women, I don't feel like there would really be a strong male presence. To ensure that we have female leadership (which surprisingly is a problem on my campus) I'm going to ask if we can have a rule of only women in the executive positions.

That last bit will no doubt be a conflict issue again with the school - if the school is adamant that your Local be Co-ed I can't see them agreeing to any sort of clause that is then exclusionary within the group itself...

However you could mandate a rule that say mandates an even split of the executive between the sexes with a conditional clause creating an exception if the "quota" isn't filled in the first round of elections/nominations (or something like that) that the "quota" is removed in the interest of filling the positions.

I really want to make a group on campus that brings together people from every dorm, every major, with any interests. I think creating such an organization would be a positive impact on my campus which has always been my number one goal.

See now if you market yourselves to the school like the above they'd buy into it - the school is opposed to the idea of a single-sex only org. I'm guessing on exclusionary grounds so the more you down play the single-sex aspect and play up the service and community aspect the better your chances...

However you could always go for the long-term in founding a Co-ed that could then split into brother and sister orgs. once membership gets "too large" in the future

[lemons232]

I am completely frustrated. I held an interesting meeting tonight and no one showed up. I know there probably wasn't enough advertising but I have basically been acting alone in my efforts since both of my partners have been sick. I put up as many fliers as there were places on campus but we had trouble getting the room reservation and this was at the same time that they changed us to a co-ed fraternity so I didn't get them until three days before the meeting.
Also my roommate was telling me that one of the guys, someone I considered a friend and who is in the underground fraternity here, was saying that we were stupid for even considering starting a local and that it's basically a terrible idea. I know I don't have to listen to that but it's just another thing to put me down about the whole founding of a women's fraternity.
I have the support from the office of student activities here which is really important. But is that even enough? When do I know to just give up?

[LPIDelta]

You have the support to start a women's fraternity, or to start a co-ed? Again, starting a co-ed was not what you set out to do, and it will likely not meet your goal of having an organization for women on campus.

Groups like this don't start with interest meetings--they start with a small group of friends coming together, determining the goals for the group and going from there. You have to start talking to your friends and dorm mates to determine if there really is an interest. Once you have a group for people to join, it will be easier. That said, I still question why you are moving forward if this group is not going to be able to fulfill your original purpose? Good luck!

[lemons232]

I realized I sound really whiny on here when actually everything's pretty good. So they changed the fact that we're a sisterhood but that doesn't mean my goals have changed. I want a way to bring lots of different people together just to have fun, do community service, and really be a part of an organization on campus. So we're moving ahead and it's going to be awesome!
I have three other girls who are totally with me (though one of them is gonig through surgery right now) The only thing that's not so great is the fact that the underground fraternity is adamently against the creation of another greek org on campus. I don't understand why, they're national (Psi Upsilon) and we're not and we don't even want the same kind of people. Any insight on how we should approach the situation?

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

What about service orgs? They are not affiliated with the social greek system either. There are many service sororities out there. I know of Omega Phi Alpha and Gamma Sigma Sigma.

Thanks for the shout-out, AlwaysSAI. For the record, Omega Phi Alpha sisters can be male as well as female. Although we don't attract many male members, in my capacity as the national officer in charge of expansion I have been lucky enough to work with several outstanding "mister sisters" who helped found an OPA chapter on their campus.

Best of luck, Lemons, in getting your numbers up and don't let the administrative hurdles get you down. I know you'll do great! PM me if you need some non-traditional recruitment ideas.

[PhoenixAzul]

Oh that's awesome, glad to hear things are going well.

Part of the beauty of local sororities is the autonomy and self-determination/direction. But that can also be the downfall. That whole, "with great power comes greater responsibility" bit. Right now, you don't have an alumni group watching and making sure you're keeping things on the level, so perhaps enlist a group of advisors (staff/faculty of your school, perhaps community leaders?) to just act as a go-to person/people that are removed from the group. Once you start establishing alumni, then there is less and less need for this sort of oversight (although, it could be a nice gesture to initiate/honor initiate those that helped you out in the beginning).

From local greek to local greek, just be mindful that people are watching you, expecting you to fail or to step out of line. Don't give them that opportunity. You've done a tremendous amount of work, and you're reaping the rewards. Don't let anyone take that away from you and your sisters.

Welcome to the wider sisterhood of local greeks, we're here to help however we can.