PNM Registration -- How does it go at your school?

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

do your chapters not have a minimum grade requirement to give a girl a bid?

Of course we do.

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

if you do have a minimum, how do you go about finding out and verifying their gpa?

Our campus has a higher required GPA than any of our individual chapters. [Actually, I think one of the chapters has a GPA equal to that, but whatever.] They are not permitted to register without the minimum GPA.

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

what if you have 4 girls with the same name? we did this past recruitment. now they weren't from the same place, but you don't want to keep asking each one of them where they are from everytime they walk through your door.

We make an effort to remember last names. Works like a charm

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

what if its a new member rushing the pnm-the newbies don't always remember to make a mental note of how the girl spells her name or where she is from-things that can help the girls(and the alumnae assisting) know which sydney zelda zta just had as a rush guest. and they always don't get the last name of the girl.

It's called a recruitment workshop. We do several. No newbies are so new that they have no idea what to ask. We let them know what they need to remember. The alumnae are seasoned veterans and don't need our help remembering. Certain aspects of membership selection are involved here as well, which I'm obviously not going to elaborate on.

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

this past recruitment we pledged 1 cydne, 1 sydni, 2 caitlins, 1 katelyn, 1 jordyn, 1 jordan and 2 brittany's. there were more brittany's and caitlins , one more jordan and a couple of lauras that we did not bid. without those forms, it would have been near impossible to tell them all apart.

What were their last names? Why couldn't you just say "Cydne with a C Smith"? Works for us, and we have 200+ girls going through every year.

Honestly, I really don't think you need to know all this stuff about potentials.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Honestly, I really don't think you need to know all this stuff about potentials.

AST, sounds like you're in a small pond and what you do works for your chapter -- GREAT!

I can assure you FSUZeta and many of us know your "tricks" like Rush Workshop and remembering last names. Gee, what a concept.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

AST, sounds like you're in a small pond and what you do works for your chapter -- GREAT!

I can assure you FSUZeta and many of us know your "tricks" like Rush Workshop and remembering last names. Gee, what a concept.

I'm sure you do know these things. But she implied that there was no other way. And small? I wouldn't say we're tiny; we have between 200 and 300 girls go through rush every year.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

AST, sounds like you're in a small pond and what you do works for your chapter -- GREAT!

I can assure you FSUZeta and many of us know your "tricks" like Rush Workshop and remembering last names. Gee, what a concept.

It's totally unnecessary to be so condescending and rude.

[lauralaylin]

I think that it's very important that GPAs are given. Each school is different and while I like the idea of getting their registration forms, I can understand that this isn't what happens at some schools. But when I was first advising at URI, we got absolutely nothing. It was impossible to cut for grades, and that certainly didn't work for us. It took a few years of me politely asking for this to change.

Also, I think that for pref at least, the pnm's should be lined up in alphabetical order. It'd be nice for other parties too, but it's essential for pref.

[SthrnZeta]

FSU, very diplomatic post. Props to you. As for pics - it's not about being superficial at all (though I can see how it may look that way). It's about putting a face to a name - it's just another tool to help actives remember the PNMs you talked to. I know in my chapter, we used the group Rho Chi photos in MS and it was very helpful. And when you have several hundred to over a thousand girls going through, those pictures become essential. No one can remember that many full names without other aides to jog your memory - you'll use whatever tricks you can come up with!

[AnonAlumna]

Okay, there are so many things here that I want to quote and respond to, but there were just too many.

FIRST, and most importantly, I was not implying anything just because it was a NORTHERN school. That tidbit was SOLELY for informational purposes. I've read enough "I'm a PNM what should I do?" threads to know that one of the most common questions is, "It depends on where you are." "Southern rush is so different from northern." The geography was ONLY to give more information. I never said that I was from a Southern school, or that southern rush was better. You certainly took that out of context.

SECOND, I have assisted in more than one rush. This is the first time that I'm in on the actual advisors-side. My questions are coming from listening to the active members and advisors complain that something needs to change. I didn't want to say anything about MS, but since someone else mentioned it, that is a big part of the problem as well. Trying to remember 800+ girls information in one evening?

THIRD, I have not made ANY suggestions to anyone. I am simply trying to collect information on how other schools do it. Recruitment at my school was completely different, the Greek atmosphere is totally different. I am not naive enough to think that since it worked at my school, it will work here. As I mentioned before, this is based on complaints from the other advisors (who have been assisting for 12 +years) and the chapter members who don't want to be in MS until midnight!

FOURTH, thank you to all who understand the true sentiment in which my information was first written. There have been issues with return numbers at this school, and many feel that it is because of how unorganized recruitment is. I know that many on here are close to the recruitment process at their particular school, and I thought this would be a good source of information.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AnonAlumna

My questions are coming from listening to the active members and advisors complain that something needs to change. I didn't want to say anything about MS, but since someone else mentioned it, that is a big part of the problem as well.

As I mentioned before, this is based on complaints from the other advisors (who have been assisting for 12 +years) and the chapter members who don't want to be in MS until midnight!

There have been issues with return numbers at this school, and many feel that it is because of how unorganized recruitment is.

It would have helped a lot if you would have said all of this in your first post, rather than "I couldn't believe it" and "this system is wasting a lot of time." It made you come off in much the same way as a certain oft-banned poster on here who thought it was just ridiculous that people actually wore jeans at rush and basically completely dissed the women she was supposed to be "advising."

If you and the other advisors want to get together and try to institute this, rock out with your sock out, but don't be surprised if you get asked why and expected to prove that it will help recruitment - by the administration, by the rushees and by the chapter members.

[AnonAlumna]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It would have helped a lot if you would have said all of this in your first post, rather than "I couldn't believe it" and "this system is wasting a lot of time." It made you come off in much the same way as a certain oft-banned poster on here who thought it was just ridiculous that people actually wore jeans at rush and basically completely dissed the women she was supposed to be "advising."

If you and the other advisors want to get together and try to institute this, rock out with your sock out, but don't be surprised if you get asked why and expected to prove that it will help recruitment - by the administration, by the rushees and by the chapter members.

I apologize...I had tried to get as much detail without being long-winded. Hopefully things are all clear now, and we can get some good ideas. The advisors from all chapters get together periodically to discuss, and they want to have each sorority contribute $20 to buy a digital cam for panhel, that way a picture is taken of each girl and emailed to the chapter.

This chapter just had a National representative visit and make a bunch of suggestions to the chapter. Now, the officers are bringing it to the advisors as something they want to do. I am certainly not being one of those,'Well this is how MY chapter did it..." kind of people. The system seems to be really open to making things change and make it easier for EVERYONE...PNM's and the chapters.

Some people have mentioned that it's unfair/unnecessary for the GLOs to have prior knowledge of the PNM's, but aren't PNM's able to get plenty of information about the groups before recruitment? We have national websites as well as chapter specific ones where these women can find out all kinds of things before recruitment starts. Many have said that they use it as a talking point...in fact many alumnae here have RECOMMENDED it to PNM's to help show interest. Why is it different for the GLO's to know a little about the girls coming in prior to parties? In fact, it might actually help some of the women that we've heard about who get so shy. If they are not able to initiate a conversation, and immediately get written off as 'uninterested'...would they have not been better served knowing a little bit about them? Why do we encourage Recs be written? Because it's MORE information.

Thank you FSUZeta, your last sentence is exactly what I've been getting at!

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by AnonAlumna

I apologize...I had tried to get as much detail without being long-winded. Hopefully things are all clear now, and we can get some good ideas. The advisors from all chapters get together periodically to discuss, and they want to have each sorority contribute $20 to buy a digital cam for panhel, that way a picture is taken of each girl and emailed to the chapter.

Does your campus use ICS? Is there a place where PNMs can upload a picture of themselves as part of their registration so PHA doesn't have to photograph 800+ PNMs (and not to mention save some money)?

ETA: My campus started using ICS the year after I joined, so I have no idea what the PNM registration page looks like, but I'd assume you could customize the registration info for your campus, and that uploading a picture would be an option.

[Titchou]

Well, I am in the south and most schools here use ICS or some other computer service for registration, recruitment lists, bid matching, etc. It all comes in the package. Frankly, with 1200 PNMs at Auburn I don't know how they would do it without comupter assistance. There the women sign up for recruitment when they attend Camp War Eagle - orientation. PH then sends out that information to the chapters as they register. When I was City Sponsorship Chairman I got all my women in an Excel spreadsheet with everything she put on the registration form - home address, high school, parents, activities, legacy information, etc. Made it very easy to find someone to do a sponsor form on her. And the chapter uses it during workshop to learn about the women and also to sponsor any they may know.