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[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Just because that's the way it's been in the past doesn't make it right.

[bowsandtoes]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

That's insulting.

It's also ill informed and childish.

You don't have to be hazed to be a man.

Some would argue that real men don't take any crap from anyone.

Especially hazing.

Show your real manhood -- eliminate hazing.

Just because that's the way it's been in the past doesn't make it right.

If a 'real man' wants to join a fraternity then he probably wants to join the best fraternity at his campus. The one that has the biggest parties, best reputation, best alumni connections, nicest house, etc.

Yes he's going to need to make sacrifices, nothing worthwhile is ever gained without sacrifice.

If a man gets into Harvard and drops out to go to community college because Harvard was too hard, does that means he's a real man?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

If a man gets into Harvard and drops out to go to community college because Harvard was too hard, does that means he's a real man?

Yes. Perhaps not that studious or prepared for a 4 year University yet, but still a "real man" depending on what else he has going on and is looking forward to.

There are much greater things to accomplish than graduating from Harvard.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

Yes he's going to need to make sacrifices, nothing worthwhile is ever gained without sacrifice

I just don't think he should be willing to sacrifice his dignity or self-respect.

[bowsandtoes]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I just don't think he should be willing to sacrifice his dignity or self-respect.

If I got a bid from a great fraternity and passed on it because I was too afraid of some push-ups then I would say I didn't have much in the way of self-respect in the first place.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

If I got a bid from a great fraternity and passed on it because I was too afraid of some push-ups then I would say I didn't have much in the way of self-respect in the first place.

So the fraternity that bids you will tell you that all you have to do is some push ups?

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

If a 'real man' wants to join a fraternity then he probably wants to join the best fraternity at his campus. The one that has the biggest parties, best reputation, best alumni connections, nicest house, etc.

Yes he's going to need to make sacrifices, nothing worthwhile is ever gained without sacrifice.

If a man gets into Harvard and drops out to go to community college because Harvard was too hard, does that means he's a real man?

To borrow something from the post above this one of yours:


Bull.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

If a man gets into Harvard and drops out to go to community college because Harvard was too hard, does that means he's a real man?

Depend what he does with his life afterward. The second richest man in the world dropped out of Harvard, didn't even finish college.

[bowsandtoes]

You miss the point. A real man strives to be the best in all aspects of his life, academics, social, fraternal, etc. A real man doesn't sell himself short because he's afraid of making sacrifice.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

You miss the point. A real man strives to be the best in all aspects of his life, academics, social, fraternal, etc. A real man doesn't sell himself short because he's afraid of making sacrifice.

Oh was I to infer that the man who left Harvard was afraid of sacrifice and lazy?