But why are the NPHC groups so ... different???

[nikki1920]

Any updates?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by nikki1920

Any updates?

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[tld221]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

But, see, what we are saying is your little brother needs to be involved in activities "relevant to the Black community". He is doing the fun and good things in college as he should, but who are is "role models" besides you and your family who happened to be greek and active?

If he wants to be a part of the NPHC, go where the Black folks go. And not all of us are ghetto, hood rats and thugs. You would not say that about historical African Americans in the past would you? The reality is, if you or your brother are not attending HBCU's, then you won't see us a PWI because our numbers are not vast at a 50K student population.


Moreover, if folks roll with the punches because others are doing it kind of thing, then the NPHC is not for you. It is about doing the "road less traveled"--especially at PWI's. That is why it is a foreign concept to many...

Also, the greek life coordinator should have all the contact information on active chapters. Most universities request this information to do activities on the campus.

Just trying to help.

is it really that cut and dry (on the bolded)? (im trying to come up with supporting argument, but really thats all i got right now) when i decided i wanted to be part of greek life, i went where i knew greeks would be. when i decided i wanted to be part of NPHC, i went where they would be. i dunno, i jus kinda read your statement as "at PWIs if you go where the black folks go, youre bound to find some NPHCers." which was SO not the case 9:10 times. but hey im jus one person.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

But, see, what we are saying is your little brother needs to be involved in activities "relevant to the Black community".

If he wants to be a part of the NPHC, go where the Black folks go. The reality is, if you or your brother are not attending HBCU's, then you won't see us a PWI because our numbers are not vast at a 50K student population.

Originally Posted by tld221

is it really that cut and dry (on the bolded)? (im trying to come up with supporting argument, but really thats all i got right now) when i decided i wanted to be part of greek life, i went where i knew greeks would be. when i decided i wanted to be part of NPHC, i went where they would be. i dunno, i jus kinda read your statement as "at PWIs if you go where the black folks go, youre bound to find some NPHCers." which was SO not the case 9:10 times. but hey im jus one person.

I don't know how your campus operates. Campi have similarities and differences. Generally speaking, getting a college degree in some major will have some basic similarities. Generally speaking, a college individually will have differences and that includes greek life and school's office. If you come to the university where I work, the Greek Life Office would be totally unable to tell you ANYTHING about the NPHC. The NPHC and the affiliates are considered as "clubs" rather than fraternities and sororities, irregardless what we do in the community.

With the current numbers of AfAm kids attending PWI's, it may be more than in 1970, but the number is still paltry. And most kids who are of African descent do NOT have parents or grandparents that were a part of the civil rights generation... Some kids never knew there were such things as Sororities and Fraternities, much less ours. So, it is a level of self-discovery. We have EXPECTATIONS for interested and potential new members but these PNM could care less about what our expectations are. We do not actively "recruit" and to even have competitive numbers of members like the traditional greeks or the HBCU's have, then how are we to say "if one really wants to be a member, one could" these days?

Kids these days do not know who WE are and WE expect them to know these things about us. WE tell them to do their "research", but what these interests and potential members are telling US is that WE are turning them off.

But see, would these PMN's ask that of a "Bill Gates" and demand "what Microsoft is and how is Windows???"

Help me understand why is it "okay" to question OUR existence and intent--especially when many of us are 100 years old?

You may be different, but even if you graduated in 2000, a PWI's campus is structurally different in 2007. That is the nature of most universities.

Hayle, I just walked around my campus, NUNNA OUR kids even looked me in my eye, nor smiled or nodded. That is a huge disconnect from my generation... Most kids starting school were born in 1988... I graduated from college in 1990... So, I have a totally different purview.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by tld221

is it really that cut and dry (on the bolded)? (im trying to come up with supporting argument, but really thats all i got right now) when i decided i wanted to be part of greek life, i went where i knew greeks would be. when i decided i wanted to be part of NPHC, i went where they would be. i dunno, i jus kinda read your statement as "at PWIs if you go where the black folks go, youre bound to find some NPHCers." which was SO not the case 9:10 times. but hey im jus one person.

In my personal experience, it was true back in the day but not necessarily now.

When I was an undergrad in the late 80's, on my campus, and many other PWIs that I was familiar with, a large percentage (around 30-50%) of American born Black students were members of a BGLO. I seperate American born because most Blacks from other parts of the Diaspora had a lower take rate (5-10%).

In my current experience at a much larger PWI, the overall take rate is quite low (optimistically around 10%). I have yet to encounter a non-American born member of the BGLOs on campus, although I have to think that there are at least a few.

With the proliferation of 'new' orgs - Greeks, cultural, professional, etc. - there are a lot more outlets for students. So an unscientific sample of current Black students would probably find that many BGLO potentials have decided to pledge other types of Greek orgs (multicultural, NIC/NPC, Hispanic, non-NPHC BGLOs, professional, service) as well as other types of clubs. Unfortunately, the abundance of choices often results in lower committment levels and lower overall numbers. You know - Divide and Conquer

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

In my personal experience, it was true back in the day but not necessarily now.

When I was an undergrad in the late 80's, on my campus, and many other PWIs that I was familiar with, a large percentage (around 30-50%) of American born Black students were members of a BGLO. I seperate American born because most Blacks from other parts of the Diaspora had a lower take rate (5-10%).

In my current experience at a much larger PWI, the overall take rate is quite low (optimistically around 10%). I have yet to encounter a non-American born member of the BGLOs on campus, although I have to think that there are at least a few.

With the proliferation of 'new' orgs - Greeks, cultural, professional, etc. - there are a lot more outlets for students. So an unscientific sample of current Black students would probably find that many BGLO potentials have decided to pledge other types of Greek orgs (multicultural, NIC/NPC, Hispanic, non-NPHC BGLOs, professional, service) as well as other types of clubs. Unfortunately, the abundance of choices often results in lower committment levels and lower overall numbers. You know - Divide and Conquer

I will agree that it definitely depends on the campus. At my undergrad (Univ. of Minnesota) all of the D9 orgs have non-American born members, I'd guess that at least 1/3 of all BGLO members are non-American born.

[neosoul]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

I have yet to encounter a non-American born member of the BGLOs on campus, although I have to think that there are at least a few.

I'm non-American born!