Harder for older students to join?

[UGAalum94]

It allows more groups to flourish on that campus. It's a cooperative agreement among the members of NPC for the benefit of all groups.

Basically, it seems that you think everything should operate based on free market principles, but the members of the NPC groups have decided that it's better to have multiple healthy groups on campus than it is to have a few very large groups and other struggling groups.

Although you have in other threads expressed your belief that certain groups are in fact better than other groups and I guess I can infer from that that you think that other groups should go under through direct competition with stronger groups, the NPC thinks it best protects the interests of member groups when it balances the competition among groups.

And remember, the NPC doesn't have a monopoly. Campuses are welcome to have locals. If an NPC decided that the Green book rules weren't the way they wanted to go, they could leave, I suppose. There may even be non-NPC affiliated groups for all I know.

(Sometimes I wonder if the IFC system is better myself, but while I obviously have a preference for my own group, I don't have as strong a sense as you apparently do that a girls belonging to one group over another makes that much a difference in her Greek experience. Even if she can't be XYZ, there's still a benefit in being QRS in my mind.)

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

It allows more groups to flourish on that campus. It's a cooperative agreement among the members of NPC for the benefit of all groups.

Basically, it seems that you think everything should operate based on free market principles, but the members of the NPC groups have decided that it's better to have multiple healthy groups on campus than it is to have a few very large groups and other struggling groups.

Although you have in other threads expressed your belief that certain groups are in fact better than other groups and I guess I can infer from that that you think that other groups should go under through direct competition with stronger groups, the NPC thinks it best protects the interests of member groups when it balances the competition among groups.

And remember, the NPC doesn't have a monopoly. Campuses are welcome to have locals. If an NPC decided that the Green book rules weren't the way they wanted to go, they could leave, I suppose. There may even be non-NPC affiliated groups for all I know.

(Sometimes I wonder if the IFC system is better myself, but while I obviously have a preference for my own group, I don't have as strong a sense as you apparently do that a girls belonging to one group over another makes that much a difference in her Greek experience. Even if she can't be XYZ, there's still a benefit in being QRS in my mind.)

Before I shut up and color, as many seem to want me to do, let me say that I don't believe one group is better than another. I believe one group one any one campus may be the best for each individual, and that an individual should be given the time to get to know that, and to choose.

I'm not willing to let others make those choices for me without my voice being heard, but apparently that's not appropriate in these forums. Here it seems to be go along with the group. Sorry, that's not for me.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Before I shut up and color, as many seem to want me to do, let me say that I don't believe one group is better than another. I believe one group one any one campus may be the best for each individual, and that an individual should be given the time to get to know that, and to choose.

I'm not willing to let others make those choices for me without my voice being heard, but apparently that's not appropriate in these forums. Here it seems to be go along with the group. Sorry, that's not for me.

Often on smaller campuses, they do have that. It's called continuous open bidding. We had instances where girls came to open bid parties for a year before they joined because they just weren't ready.

But if you have hundreds of girls going through rush at the same time, you don't have that luxury. It's my belief that at campuses where all the chapters are very large, they probably are more alike than different.

Oh, and please tell me what "shut up and color" means, because I don't have a clue.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, and please tell me what "shut up and color" means, because I don't have a clue.

I've heard this expression in only one area of the country (although I'm sure it's used elsewhere), and it basically meant, "Run along now... your opinion doesn't matter here." Of course, you have to imagine it being said with the proper amount of condescension for full effect.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Before I shut up and color, as many seem to want me to do, let me say that I don't believe one group is better than another. I believe one group one any one campus may be the best for each individual, and that an individual should be given the time to get to know that, and to choose.

I'm not willing to let others make those choices for me without my voice being heard, but apparently that's not appropriate in these forums. Here it seems to be go along with the group. Sorry, that's not for me.

I'm certainly not trying to stifle your opinion. I was trying to give what I thought was the logic behind the ideas of quota and campus total.

Fraternities, for the most part, don't seem to use a similar system, and as I said, something I wonder if their way is better.

But I think it's true that the NPC has decided that the interests of all groups are best protected by regulating the number of new members that groups can take in and I think that in terms of what system will produce a great number of healthy groups, and therefore the best Greek experience for the most women, I think they might be right.

I was an undergraduate member at a big school with more than 1000 girls rushing each year and 18 groups, so it's harder for me to accept the idea that there's one best group for each girl, other than the group she ends up with when rush is over. At a smaller campus with deferred rush, I'm sure things are different and the groups may have distinctly different personalities and character.

Even with the "false" constraints of quota and total, I think the regulated system probably "works" better overall than groups having to set their own limits bases on when the experience of being a member seems to decline because the group is way too big.

But it's perfectly fine that you disagree.

I'm not sure what you mean by having your choices made for you, though. Even in the quota and total system, girls decide whether they want to join the group that wants them and they get to rank groups. It's just that their choices get narrowed down when groups decide that they don't want to ask them back.