Highschool Sororities....

[Empress0105]

are a waste of time....


there is no way someone of that age can truly understand what it means to be in a sorority and fraternity in the sense of you being in it for life....the only letters they should be worrying about are SAT, ACT and GPA

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Empress0105

are a waste of time....
the only letters they should be worrying about are SAT, ACT and GPA

Agreed.

[ms_gwyn]

Originally Posted by Empress0105

are a waste of time....


there is no way someone of that age can truly understand what it means to be in a sorority and fraternity in the sense of you being in it for life....the only letters they should be worrying about are SAT, ACT and GPA

Playing devil's advocate ...

1) Some can say the same thing for being in college and focusing on GPA, BS, BA, MCAT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT, etc....

2) Most of the women who created our organizations were in this age group, some were in their 20s but most were in between 15-19.

Every body needs a social outlet and we all know that we have cliques...these are cliques....with community service.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ms_gwyn

Playing devil's advocate ...

1) Some can say the same thing for being in college and focusing on GPA, BS, BA, MCAT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT, etc....

2) Most of the women who created our organizations were in this age group, some were in their 20s but most were in between 15-19.

Every body needs a social outlet and we all know that we have cliques...these are cliques....with community service.

Good points, Ms gwyn!
I do, however, think someone should make sure that the hazing is eliminated from these groups. The thing about kids that age is that their brains have often not developed enough to make reasonably enlightened decisions.

[libelle]

Originally Posted by lillylover3

but on another note, i think mobile is the last in AL to really have a strong sorority/fraternity system. in birmingham and montgomery they just have dances[montg: the assembly, camellia ball-girls, the squires-boys, MCC, cotillion] which were pretty much feeders into the debutante balls for college!!

Yes, high school sororities and fraternities are still strong in the Mobile area. And yes, there is a natural progression from certain hs groups to certain NPC groups to the Camellia ball to the Jr League, etc. The Jr League, however, is more diverse than the sororities these days. Pledges of 'the' sorority are called 'rats' and have a list of rules that no NPC group could have.

It is a different world from Long Island where I live now.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ms_gwyn

Playing devil's advocate ...

1) Some can say the same thing for being in college and focusing on GPA, BS, BA, MCAT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT, etc....

2) Most of the women who created our organizations were in this age group, some were in their 20s but most were in between 15-19.

Every body needs a social outlet and we all know that we have cliques...these are cliques....with community service.

As I always say, the devil doesn't need an advocate.

1) All of our organizations should be interested in college students who focus on GPA, BS, BA, LSAT, etc. The difference is that young adults are more capable of multitasking which is why our colleges and young adult/adult lives aren't structured the same as high schools and children's lives are.

2) Whose organizations?

I'm not opposed to these high school organizations. I think they are lame if they are aided by fraternity and sorority members and taught to mimick them. I also think it's lame if the children wear Greek letters and think they are in a lifetime commitment type of organization or in a stepping stone to GLOs type organization. It's cutesy high school stuff and that's it.

I was the president of a community service organization without Greek letters. We didn't have sororities at my school. Thank God.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

2) Whose organizations?

I'm not familiar with the histories of organizations other than my own, but I remember reading somewhere that many founders of NPC sororities were in the 15-19 year old age group when their organizations were established. These women were students at their respective college/university, and being that this was in the mid-1800s to early 1900s, I'm assuming being that young and in college was the norm.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OTW

I'm not familiar with the histories of organizations other than my own, but I remember reading somewhere that many founders of NPC sororities were in the 15-19 year old age group when their organizations were established. These women were students at their respective college/university, and being that this was in the mid-1800s to early 1900s, I'm assuming being that young and in college was the norm.

Thanks for the clarity.

[Senusret I]

Since we're on the topic... does anyone know what the age range of NPHC sorority founders was?

For Alpha, several of our founders would be considered "non-traditional" undergraduates, a few were graduate students, and maybe three were 19. I never really thought about what was going on down at Howard from 1908-1920.

[DSTCHAOS]

I don't have the patience to look it all up but Naomi Sewell Richardson passed away at 100 in 1993 so that makes her 20 in 1913. I never checked the ages of blacks in college in the 1900s or of every Founder. I'm almost certain that they weren't overwhelmingly high school age but rather 19+, which is college age and doesn't add any support for high school sororities.

[exlurker]

High School Sorority in Virginia Banned?

A news story out of Danville reports on a decision about the Sub-Debs and another high school sorority:

http://www.registerbee.com/servlet/S...324&path=!news

Excerpt (by the way, if this kind of thing were being done in college by an NPC sorority, and word got out or complaints were made, wouldn't the chapter get corrective action from their national?):

Part of the initiation involves girls not washing their hair for a couple of days and carrying “goodie bags” filled with candy. A senior member can require a “rat” to run over and give them candy during the school day.

The “rat” tries to get as many members as possible to sign a book that shows they received candy, but the senior member can rip out that page in the book and make the “rat” start over.

Originally Posted by exlurker

High School Sorority in Virginia Banned?

A news story out of Danville reports on a decision about the Sub-Debs and another high school sorority:

http://www.registerbee.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=DRB%2FMGArticle%2FDRB_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353794324&path=!news

Excerpt (by the way, if this kind of thing were being done in college by an NPC sorority, and word got out or complaints were made, wouldn't the chapter get corrective action from their national?):

Part of the initiation involves girls not washing their hair for a couple of days and carrying “goodie bags” filled with candy. A senior member can require a “rat” to run over and give them candy during the school day.

The “rat” tries to get as many members as possible to sign a book that shows they received candy, but the senior member can rip out that page in the book and make the “rat” start over.

Does the state of Virginia consider these acts hazing?

If so, someone should educate the co-president on Virginia's hazing law.

[AOIIRhoDelta]

There were several sororities at the public high school I went to--one in the band (Pi Alpha Zeta? I think...), Kappa Rho, and another that I've forgotten the letters of. Funny thing is that most of the girls in Kappa Rho were also in the other one... it was just an excuse to have 2 extra formals a year and some mild to moderate hazing.

I went to all-girls private school after that and there was an exclusive senior society (the purpose, rituals, etc. were secret, but not the members), a holdover from the days when my school was a college. Most of the girls in it were nice, but I heard about some sketchy hazing (from one of the members) that went on in the school chapel--simulating sexual acts with a banana over the altar, etc. I'm slightly skeptical about that, simply because some of the girls I know in it would NEVER do anything like that. Perhaps, though.

Secret/exclusive societies in high school aren't necessarily horrible, but they can get out of hand. Supposedly societies of their type were not allowed in public school, yet the two non-music sororities had pages in the school yearbook. Also, at my second school, other secret societies/non-registered clubs were banned. Hypocritical, much?

[asa06091987]

Originally Posted by OTW

Does the state of Virginia consider these acts hazing?

If so, someone should educate the co-president on Virginia's hazing law.

if you think thats bad--you should hear my college's interpretation of hazing...they're really hypocritical. its hazing to have a member of an organization be alone in a room with a new member of the organization, but they haven't done anything with respect to known hazing that goes on in some local orgs on campus eg: one organization used to kidnap new members of different sororities and then make the sisters do things like jump on trampolines half-naked to get the girls back--

oh and we didnt really have "high school sororities" but we did have a bunch of different clubs to which you needed to appeal for membership, or be specifically invited...some of them were pretty exclusive, but none of them hazed (as far as i know) i think it was mostly to make up for the fact that we dont have greek orgs in my state (college level that is) and a lot of kids in my highschool didnt go away to school...

[cuteASAbug]

Originally Posted by asa06091987

if you think thats bad--you should hear my college's interpretation of hazing...they're really hypocritical. its hazing to have a member of an organization be alone in a room with a new member of the organization, but they haven't done anything with respect to known hazing that goes on in some local orgs on campus eg: one organization used to kidnap new members of different sororities and then make the sisters do things like jump on trampolines half-naked to get the girls back--

oh and we didnt really have "high school sororities" but we did have a bunch of different clubs to which you needed to appeal for membership, or be specifically invited...some of them were pretty exclusive, but none of them hazed (as far as i know) i think it was mostly to make up for the fact that we dont have greek orgs in my state (college level that is) and a lot of kids in my highschool didnt go away to school...

I thought URI has a fairly large Greek system?