So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As I responded to the person who sent me this in a PM:

This doesn't bother me, especially since I have no idea of the context. This happens at some schools -- an NPHC org coaches an NPC or NIC org for their own step show. Proceeds go to charity.

and

Stepping is NOT our greatest legacy -- if that's the vehicle by which relationships are formed between the organizations, then it's not a bad thing at all. Those bonds that are made between college students translate to greater opportunities down the road.

So that's why it doesn't bother me. We know it will never be as good as a pan hell step show, but it was their own campus for their own purpose and they had fun. I won't judge them on that.

It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

I hope you all enjoyed looking at them as much as I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwsiK5Xb8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzhNmNbYnEE

[Senusret I]

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

[Senusret I]

And quite frankly, I think step shows in general are a waste of time and resources and I don't like going to NPHC shows.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

And quite frankly, I think step shows in general are a waste of time and resources and I don't like going to NPHC shows.

When did you become anti-stepshows? Didn't you use to help high schools with them? Not clowning, just thought I remembered that.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

When did you become anti-stepshows? Didn't you use to help high schools with them? Not clowning, just thought I remembered that.

I should have qualified that with "NPHC" step shows. I know you're not clowning.

Here is my rationale.... I enjoy neophyte shows, probate shows, new member presentations, debuts, emergences, etc. I like those because the spotlight is on that one particular organization and their sisterhood or brotherhood.

I enjoy NPHC non-exclusive step shows and exhibitions because I get to see LGLOs, MCGLOs, and Christian GLOs perform. And it never fails, I always see something different at such shows. Unfortunately, I only get to attend one of those a year.

ETA: To further explain why I like these shows, I don't feel cheated if not all of the NPHC is represented -- some opt out because they have other things to do.

I do not enjoy NPHC-only shows because (to me) they are boring ANNNND (and I know it's not the fault of the art of stepping itself) I see too many of MY bros placing too much value on stepping and not enough on service and being out in their campus communities. If you can do both, great, I'll encourage it. But I am friends with a few collegiate neos now whose chapters really have their priorities in the wrong place. I just feel like the time they spend (waste) arguing and fussing in practices could be spent elsewhere.

And finally, yes, I founded a non-Greek step team at my alma mater, which might be what you're thinking of. Big fun! Coming up on ten years this January. Wouldn't call what they do a waste of time because we founded it JUST for stepping, and the average contribution per member is like four semesters.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

Senusret, based on my PMs I sent you on this topic and the history of it all, you know why I feel the way I do about them. You're right, I didn't go to school where these things happen, but if I did, I honestly think I would have the same opinion I have now. I respect some of the facts that you've mentioned as well as your opinions. No, stepping isn't our greatest legacy, but I enjoy them. That's o.k. you think stepshows are a waste of time, but I think they're very entertaining.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

But if he did that then he couldn't spread his hate all over the place!

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

As long as some other GC members (IFC) can make comments about us, then I can make comments about your glos.

Greek unity? White and black greeks are still largely segregated, which was started by IFC and NPC glos. It's 2007 and you still practice this. Why?