JENA 6

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

the eyewitnesses are NOT credible....

They saw these six people who they knew from school attack their classmate savagely. How are they not credible? You're right -- eye witness accounts are historically some of the least accurate witnesses around. When you have a whole gaggle of them though, given the conditions, etc., I can't see how you could come to that conclusion.

No one has even talked about whether or not these kids actually did what they're accused of. I've heard no alibi, no claims of innocence, etc. Are you saying that the Jena 6 were at the Dairy Queen when all this took place?

why not....look at his jury....


Kevin...why don't you quit while you are way behind.

His jury was all white. Why? Jena, LA is 88% white. 100 jury summons were sent out. 50 people showed up. Of those 50, all were white. The jury was chosen from that pool.

Of course, now you have to make the argument that because these jurors were white, they were incapable of being unbiased.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

They saw these six people who they knew from school attack their classmate savagely. How are they not credible? You're right -- eye witness accounts are historically some of the least accurate witnesses around. When you have a whole gaggle of them though, given the conditions, etc., I can't see how you could come to that conclusion.

No one has even talked about whether or not these kids actually did what they're accused of. I've heard no alibi, no claims of innocence, etc. Are you saying that the Jena 6 were at the Dairy Queen when all this took place?

His jury was all white. Why? Jena, LA is 88% white. 100 jury summons were sent out. 50 people showed up. Of those 50, all were white. The jury was chosen from that pool.

Of course, now you have to make the argument that because these jurors were white, they were incapable of being unbiased.

NOBODY IS SAYING ANYONE IS INNOCENT!!!!

But correct me if I am wrong....the law as it stands in this country, supposedly gives everyone the RIGHT to have a fair trial by a jury of his peers....?

Think about that logic...you are trying this boy as an adult, with an inept PD and a jury NOT of his peers.....please tell me WHY you think that is fair.....and they are trying to sentence him for 80 YEARS??????

I wanna meet the asswhupping that lets someone go party several hrs later that is worth 80 years!!!!

Now if they killed the boy....then hey.....80 years would be fair.

And you think after all that has happened and knowing that this place still has a 1950's mentality that he stand a fair chance of them being UNBIASED?

Man, please.....

again....just quit while you are behind.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

NOBODY IS SAYING ANYONE IS INNOCENT!!!!

But correct me if I am wrong....the law as it stands in this country, supposedly gives everyone the RIGHT to have a fair trial by a jury of his peers....?

He got one. The law doesn't say those peers have to be of the same or similar skin pigmentation as the accused.

Think about that logic...you are trying this boy as an adult, with an inept PD and a jury NOT of his peers.....please tell me WHY you think that is fair.....and they are trying to sentence him for 80 YEARS??????

There's no logic in your statement. Just a bunch of disjointed assumptions. The "inept PD" (a black guy if that matters to you) is inept because he didn't call any witnesses. You have failed to comment on the fact that several here consider that to be (given the facts of the case) a decent strategy for the defense. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a defense attorney calling no witnesses is not per se ineffective (and that was in a murder trial I believe). Calling no witnesses, relying on a vigorous cross (if possible) and a good close is actually not a bad strategy at all given the facts of this case.

And before the first trial, as the facts clearly point out, the charges were reduced to conspiracy (do do something, I don't know what which was later dropped by the judge) and 2nd degree aggravated assault. 80 years wasn't ever really on the table once the trial started. I believe the maximum sentence from what I have read is 22 years.

I wanna meet the asswhupping that lets someone go party several hrs later that is worth 80 years!!!!

I imagine if my grandfather had survived being beaten to death (with shoes, maybe gloves) he could tell you what that sort of an "asswhupping" would be like.

And you think after all that has happened and knowing that this place still has a 1950's mentality that he stand a fair chance of them being UNBIASED?

Have you been there? Again, it appears you are projecting your racial persecution fantasy onto this community.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

He got one. The law doesn't say those peers have to be of the same or similar skin pigmentation as the accused.



There's no logic in your statement. Just a bunch of disjointed assumptions. The "inept PD" (a black guy if that matters to you) is inept because he didn't call any witnesses. You have failed to comment on the fact that several here consider that to be (given the facts of the case) a decent strategy for the defense. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a defense attorney calling no witnesses is not per se ineffective (and that was in a murder trial I believe). Calling no witnesses, relying on a vigorous cross (if possible) and a good close is actually not a bad strategy at all given the facts of this case.

And before the first trial, as the facts clearly point out, the charges were reduced to conspiracy (do do something, I don't know what which was later dropped by the judge) and 2nd degree aggravated assault. 80 years wasn't ever really on the table once the trial started. I believe the maximum sentence from what I have read is 22 years.



I imagine if my grandfather had survived being beaten to death (with shoes, maybe gloves) he could tell you what that sort of an "asswhupping" would be like.



Have you been there? Again, it appears you are projecting your racial persecution fantasy onto this community.

Well I would like to meet your gandfather...oops you said that asswhuping killed him...otherwise you get no sympathy from me sir...I have seen it one too many times already.

I'd ask you to meet Emmitt Till and his mama but....alas...they are gone too and the people that killed Mr Till walked...

Amadu Diallo got filled with lead...yet the cops that killed him walk the streets.

I once saw a man killed in Lexingtom Mkt by cops because he was having a mental breakdown and all he had was a box cutter.....6+ cops made sure that he got 6feet under....the most horrific thing I have seen in my 30+ years here.

fantasy huh...I guess that means you are slightly hurt over what I have said today....

get over it.

[AKA2D '91]

The Road to Jena:

www.khoutv.com
KHOU - TV

Instead one group of men stuck out badly.

They were dumped at a gas station in a very small town.

Elmo Parker was one of those men. "Hour two or three, I believe, in
front of a gas station like a bunch of vagabonds."

That's the time he said he spent after being stopped by police in
Louisiana.

In fact, Parker used his cell phone to captured images of Spergeon
Holly on the ground.

Holly didn't know Parker was shooting the until both of them ended up
in Woodworth, Louisiana.

"They're stopping people all along 49, and they have checkpoints up
the street so basically any out of state plates they're following them
for several miles. Black shirts, I don't know if you know but today is
supposed to be a day where everyone wore black where they were going
to show support. Any black shirt that's who they were profiling," said
Parker.

Parker, 21, was driving with two friends when he was pulled over.

Parker's mother, Kim Hudson, warned him not to speed in Louisiana.

Parker says he was going 50.

The police said, 70.

"Being pulled over for a traffic ticket and having your car towed and
being left on the side of the road? That's mighty harsh punishment for
a ticket," said Hudson.

Then Parker says the officer told him his Texas drivers license was
suspended. His mother says it was briefly a year and a half ago.

The officer took Parker's license, impounded his car and he and his
friends got into the tow truck.

"We get about a mile and a half down the road. The tow truck driver
just stops the tow truck, like basically at the edge of the gas
station and was like, this is as far as I can take you. Get out of my
truck," said Parker.

That's where they met Spergeon Holly. Almost exactly the same thing
had happened to him.

"They're trying to discourage people from going to Jena. And they can
physically see you're black they can physically see you have on a
black shirt," said Holly.

An hour up the road, a rally to end racism.

In Woodworth, four Houstonians say their struggle is just beginning.

"I don't know anybody in this town so I basically have to sit here and
wait until somebody drives from Houston," said Holly.

The Woodworth Police Department did not returned our calls made by 11
News.

By the way, both Parker and Holly appear to have valid Texas drivers
licenses.

Holly says he tried to show police his concealed weapons permit, which
you can only get with a valid license, and Parker says he had brought
court paperwork and insurance, proving his license had been reinstated.

Instead the Woodworth police took their licenses, and their cars, away.

I guess it's just a prank?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

The Road to Jena:

www.khoutv.com
KHOU - TV

Instead one group of men stuck out badly.

They were dumped at a gas station in a very small town.

Elmo Parker was one of those men. "Hour two or three, I believe, in
front of a gas station like a bunch of vagabonds."

That's the time he said he spent after being stopped by police in
Louisiana.

In fact, Parker used his cell phone to captured images of Spergeon
Holly on the ground.

Holly didn't know Parker was shooting the until both of them ended up
in Woodworth, Louisiana.

"They're stopping people all along 49, and they have checkpoints up
the street so basically any out of state plates they're following them
for several miles. Black shirts, I don't know if you know but today is
supposed to be a day where everyone wore black where they were going
to show support. Any black shirt that's who they were profiling," said
Parker.

Parker, 21, was driving with two friends when he was pulled over.

Parker's mother, Kim Hudson, warned him not to speed in Louisiana.

Parker says he was going 50.

The police said, 70.

"Being pulled over for a traffic ticket and having your car towed and
being left on the side of the road? That's mighty harsh punishment for
a ticket," said Hudson.

Then Parker says the officer told him his Texas drivers license was
suspended. His mother says it was briefly a year and a half ago.

The officer took Parker's license, impounded his car and he and his
friends got into the tow truck.

"We get about a mile and a half down the road. The tow truck driver
just stops the tow truck, like basically at the edge of the gas
station and was like, this is as far as I can take you. Get out of my
truck," said Parker.

That's where they met Spergeon Holly. Almost exactly the same thing
had happened to him.

"They're trying to discourage people from going to Jena. And they can
physically see you're black they can physically see you have on a
black shirt," said Holly.

An hour up the road, a rally to end racism.

In Woodworth, four Houstonians say their struggle is just beginning.

"I don't know anybody in this town so I basically have to sit here and
wait until somebody drives from Houston," said Holly.

The Woodworth Police Department did not returned our calls made by 11
News.

By the way, both Parker and Holly appear to have valid Texas drivers
licenses.

Holly says he tried to show police his concealed weapons permit, which
you can only get with a valid license, and Parker says he had brought
court paperwork and insurance, proving his license had been reinstated.

Instead the Woodworth police took their licenses, and their cars, away.

I guess it's just a prank?

19th century mentality in a 21st century world.....thanks