So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[Ilaria Ame]

i wouldn't personally consider that stepping...it kinda makes me ashamed to be a white girl, lol. the first thing i thought was "i love how one of them has a black guy friend and convinced him to help so they'd look more 'ethnic'" as my ls says.

[Senusret I]

As I responded to the person who sent me this in a PM:

This doesn't bother me, especially since I have no idea of the context. This happens at some schools -- an NPHC org coaches an NPC or NIC org for their own step show. Proceeds go to charity.

and

Stepping is NOT our greatest legacy -- if that's the vehicle by which relationships are formed between the organizations, then it's not a bad thing at all. Those bonds that are made between college students translate to greater opportunities down the road.

So that's why it doesn't bother me. We know it will never be as good as a pan hell step show, but it was their own campus for their own purpose and they had fun. I won't judge them on that.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As I responded to the person who sent me this in a PM:

This doesn't bother me, especially since I have no idea of the context. This happens at some schools -- an NPHC org coaches an NPC or NIC org for their own step show. Proceeds go to charity.

and

Stepping is NOT our greatest legacy -- if that's the vehicle by which relationships are formed between the organizations, then it's not a bad thing at all. Those bonds that are made between college students translate to greater opportunities down the road.

So that's why it doesn't bother me. We know it will never be as good as a pan hell step show, but it was their own campus for their own purpose and they had fun. I won't judge them on that.

It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

I hope you all enjoyed looking at them as much as I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwsiK5Xb8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzhNmNbYnEE

[Senusret I]

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

[Senusret I]

And quite frankly, I think step shows in general are a waste of time and resources and I don't like going to NPHC shows.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

Senusret, based on my PMs I sent you on this topic and the history of it all, you know why I feel the way I do about them. You're right, I didn't go to school where these things happen, but if I did, I honestly think I would have the same opinion I have now. I respect some of the facts that you've mentioned as well as your opinions. No, stepping isn't our greatest legacy, but I enjoy them. That's o.k. you think stepshows are a waste of time, but I think they're very entertaining.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

But if he did that then he couldn't spread his hate all over the place!

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

As long as some other GC members (IFC) can make comments about us, then I can make comments about your glos.

Greek unity? White and black greeks are still largely segregated, which was started by IFC and NPC glos. It's 2007 and you still practice this. Why?

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As I responded to the person who sent me this in a PM:

This doesn't bother me, especially since I have no idea of the context. This happens at some schools -- an NPHC org coaches an NPC or NIC org for their own step show. Proceeds go to charity.

Yeah, this doesn't really bother me either---especially without knowing the context of the show. I went to the University of Memphis for undergrad and we had a free organizational stepshow every year (I think around homecoming) where NPC/NIC greeks and non-greek organizations would put on a stepshow. The NPC/NIC greeks would usually be coached by the NPHC as far as the step show was concerned. To be honest the NPHC and NPC worked together quite a bit at UofM so...this doesn't really bother me...always fun to watch. I guess my attitude due to the culture at UofM because I have been exposed to this and don't go in with the expectation that the NPC/NIC has to "wow" me. The context for the show is unity so I just don't try to have my expectations set so high that I miss the point of why everyone is there. I was a bit bothered by the "slang" used for intro but as someone mentioned...they might have been coached to do that so I try not to go off about things I'm not sure about.

At least while I attended UofM all of the greeks worked pretty well with each other...not sure how things are now...but again attitudes regarding this may depend on your particular school's greek culture and exposure. Well, that's my $.13 so agree or disagree...that's just me.

Everybody be breezy!

[AlphaFrog]

I totally felt like I was watching a cheerleading competition routine, minus the stunts. You know the formula...hip hop dance with robot like movements, stop and do a cheer (or I guess STEP in this case), and then back to the robot like dancing.

[Tippiechick]

Like Shid said, I also know several schools that have step contests. To reiterate what was said earlier, the NPHC usually coaches one group and helps them out. It's a great way to get the greek community together. And, if you have ever seen the farm boys from AGRho get out there and really attempt to step, you've probably had a pretty good laugh. The ones I have been to have been honest attempts to learn the art and skill of stepping. It's never been done in a sarcastic way. Most of the routines are choreographed by the NPHC steppers.

The Kappas aren't very good at the little bit of stepping they did, but at least they gave it a try. They definitely aren't even close to the level of some groups I have seen. But, I applaud them for the effort.

[12dn94dst]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I totally felt like I was watching a cheerleading competition routine, minus the stunts. You know the formula...hip hop dance with robot like movements, stop and do a cheer (or I guess STEP in this case), and then back to the robot like dancing.

I felt the same. I was amused. It was very cute and they were cute in their "beaters and kicks".