JENA 6

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by 1908Revelations

I have not read this whole thread but I wanted to tell you guys that I went to Jena yesterday. I didn't know what to expect, but it was a wonderful feeling just being there!! I didn't go to the activities held in Alexandria, because we came back home



BTW My granddad said he saw me on CNN!

be careful with that...the FBI is probably creating a database for all of us rabble rousers.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by GoldnBlue2004

It isn't about taking up sides due to race. It is about equal justice. There were people who marched yesterday of every race, creed, and color. The point is that you have these white boys who hung nooses on a tree which is a hate crime which is a federal offense and nothing happened to them when they should be jailed for just that.

Uh.. the U.S. Attorney (who is probably better at law-stuff than you) disagrees.

-- don't you hate when facts get in the way?

Yeah, whoever did that is a racist jackass. Fortunately, in this country, we don't yet punish people for thoughtcrime. Just because an act was motivated by hate doesn't make it a hate-crime.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Uh.. the U.S. Attorney (who is probably better at law-stuff than you) disagrees.

-- don't you hate when facts get in the way?

Yeah, whoever did that is a racist jackass. Fortunately, in this country, we don't yet punish people for thoughtcrime. Just because an act was motivated by hate doesn't make it a hate-crime.

jackassery reconizes jackassery......I guess that would look familiar to you huh?


Think about that last statement....exactly how much sense does that make....?

But then you may be right.....

"Just because an act was motivated by hate doesn't make it a hate-crime."

I guess the Logan 6 didn't 'hate' that girl....huh....but they they sure left a weeks worth of dislike all over her.

And I guess those guys didn't 'hate' your grandfather either....just hated getting screwed out of a deal?

Hell...I would 'hate' being on the wrong end of a money deal gone bad....

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

jackassery reconizes jackassery......I guess that would look familiar to you huh?

I'm going to have to put some of these in my sig.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Think about that last statement....exactly how much sense does that make....?

As ridiculously foolish as that statement sounds, Law-boy has a point. A crime can't be a hate crime because it's motivated by hate alone. It also has to be motivated by a prejudice and/or intolerance of some sort--without that second part, it doesn't legally fit the category.

I'm really disappointed about the bail being denied, but I'm sending him a letter of encouragement tomorrow. While I definitely believe those boys were never innocent and all deserved punishment, Mychal has been through enough. If he hasn't learned a lesson after all this (and I believe he has), no amount of jail time is going to teach him. It's time to let this boy get on with his life.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I'm going to have to put some of these in my sig.



As ridiculously foolish as that statement sounds, Law-boy has a point. A crime can't be a hate crime because it's motivated by hate alone. It also has to be motivated by a prejudice and/or intolerance of some sort--without that second part, it doesn't legally fit the category.

I'm really disappointed about the bail being denied, but I'm sending him a letter of encouragement tomorrow. While I definitely believe those boys were never innocent and all deserved punishment, Mychal has been through enough. If he hasn't learned a lesson after all this (and I believe he has), no amount of jail time is going to teach him. It's time to let this boy get on with his life.

He may have a point but it still "subject to interpretation"...let's see who they get to 'interpret' the hate laws in the Logan 6 case as well.

BTW...I did find an FAQ

http://www.acjnet.org/youthfaq/define.html

and another link

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...ime/index.html

and they are subject to law boy's interpretation as well...

I am also sure he can provide us with some other illuminating links that can clearly (or murkily) define what get's defined as a hate crime.

[Animate]

This thread has gone on for 12 pages...and for what? Has anyone stopped to try to look at the other side of things? From where I sit there are primarily 2 groups of people that are concerned with this issue. One group is the "These 6 kids beat up another kid! Why should they be released for that". The other group is the "Yes, these kids beat up and they should be punished for that. The punishment should also fit the crime". Those in the first group seem to be treating this as a single event while those in the other are treating it as a culmination of things.

Then you have the idiots that just want people to get out of jail and not be punished. I think that group is small compared to the other two.

Bottom Line: try to take the other person's view of things.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Animate

This thread has gone on for 12 pages...and for what? Has anyone stopped to try to look at the other side of things? From where I sit there are primarily 2 groups of people that are concerned with this issue. One group is the "These 6 kids beat up another kid! Why should they be released for that". The other group is the "Yes, these kids beat up and they should be punished for that. The punishment should also fit the crime". Those in the first group seem to be treating this as a single event while those in the other are treating it as a culmination of things.

Then you have the idiots that just want people to get out of jail and not be punished. I think that group is small compared to the other two.

Bottom Line: try to take the other person's view of things.

Thanks. I agree with that. The punishment should fit the crime.

I think that so far, since the charges have been reduced, in my opinion, that has been satisfied.

Attempted murder in the second degree is an odd crime anyhow. The factual requirements which separate that from something like aggravated assault are minimal. This allows a lot of prosecutorial discretion -- something which isn't always going to be something we agree with.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this incident causes the LA state legislature to look long and hard at its criminal code. That, if nothing else is what protesters ought to be talking about.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Thanks. I agree with that. The punishment should fit the crime.

I think that so far, since the charges have been reduced, in my opinion, that has been satisfied.

Attempted murder in the second degree is an odd crime anyhow. The factual requirements which separate that from something like aggravated assault are minimal. This allows a lot of prosecutorial discretion -- something which isn't always going to be something we agree with.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this incident causes the LA state legislature to look long and hard at its criminal code. That, if nothing else is what protesters ought to be talking about.

aww man.read. Read. Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaad. This is what protesters want not just in Jena and louisiana but in the US! Go and google Jena 6 commentary! That is if its not too irrelevant for you to do.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

aww man.read. Read. Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaad.this is what protesters want not just in Jena and louisiana but in the us! Go and google Jena 6 commentary! That is if its not too irrelevant for you to do

In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

that is because you are not getting it into that thick cranium that Jena is not the only place where stuff like this is happening.

That's right I forget....you....can't....relate.

Excuse yourself from this now.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Kevin

In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

Are you serious right now?

[DSTCHAOS]

Reason #1,913,000 why threads like this don't do well on GreekChat.

This topic isn't just about the Jena 6. Many of the people rallying weren't just doing it for the Jena 6. Whether the Bell kids stays in jail or not, there are social injustices that people of all races and social classes should be concerned with. Injustices that began generations ago and continue today.

[christiangirl]

*sliding DaemonSeid $200.99+tax and asking if PayPal is acceptable*

Those pictures were priceless. especially the sign that said "Not All White People Are Crazy."

Monet: Thanks for the psychological spin. That's my language right there.

All I have to say about this thread is this rightchere: "Don’t argue with fools becuse people from a distance can’t tell who is who." Stay focused on the topic and if people wanna go astray, let them go...all by themselves. If anybody hears more news, lemme know.

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

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All I have to say about this thread is this rightchere: "Don’t argue with fools becuse people from a distance can’t tell who is who." Stay focused on the topic and if people wanna go astray, let them go...all by themselves. If anybody hears more news, lemme know.

YES!!!! Thankyou christiangirl!!!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

"Don’t argue with fools becuse people from a distance can’t tell who is who."

I always hated this saying.