Letters on Bid Day???

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

Individual new member classes may choose not to wear letters until after initiation, but there is no fraternity-wide bylaw against it.

I remember being at a rush party (not ASA) and the girl rushing me told me that NM WERE allowed to wear letters, but ALL pledge classes have ALWAYS voted not to. In other words, Nationals says we have to let you, but we're not going to, anyway.

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I remember being at a rush party (not ASA) and the girl rushing me told me that NM WERE allowed to wear letters, but ALL pledge classes have ALWAYS voted not to. In other words, Nationals says we have to let you, but we're not going to, anyway.

Yeah, that's pretty much how my chapter did it too.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Yeah, that's pretty much how my chapter did it too.

Weren't you just saying how you WANTED to not wear letters? Having an active say that basically guarantees that the NM class will vote to not wear letters. Everyone wants to be liked, and no one wants to be 'that' new member that tries to go against tradition.

You've made a few other contradictory statements in this thread, too.

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I remember being at a rush party (not ASA) and the girl rushing me told me that NM WERE allowed to wear letters, but ALL pledge classes have ALWAYS voted not to. In other words, Nationals says we have to let you, but we're not going to, anyway.

If that's what your chapter/nm class chose to do, that's your decision. I don't care either way. I was just answering for my own organization. My last statement was meant to show the ONLY restriction on letters, crest, whathaveyou in regards to non-members involves our badge. That's not to say some chapters don't do the whole "no letters before initiation" deal, but if it's a nm class choice, I don't really care.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

If that's what your chapter/nm class chose to do, that's your decision. I don't care either way. I was just answering for my own organization. My last statement was meant to show the ONLY restriction on letters, crest, whathaveyou in regards to non-members involves our badge. That's not to say some chapters don't do the whole "no letters before initiation" deal, but if it's a nm class choice, I don't really care.

It wasn't your org that my post was about. You just happened to be talking about that subject.

And, if the pledge class votes on it, it's fine...but the way the girl put it to me, it seemed like the vote was just a formality and letters WOULD NOT be worn during pledging regardless of what the NM class actually wanted.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I remember being at a rush party (not ASA) and the girl rushing me told me that NM WERE allowed to wear letters, but ALL pledge classes have ALWAYS voted not to. In other words, Nationals says we have to let you, but we're not going to, anyway.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

It wasn't your org that my post was about. You just happened to be talking about that subject.

And, if the pledge class votes on it, it's fine...but the way the girl put it to me, it seemed like the vote was just a formality and letters WOULD NOT be worn during pledging regardless of what the NM class actually wanted.

And that's essentially my problem with the argument that the pledge class decided so it's ok. Faced with "Tradition" and the suggestion that you go along with it, what pledge class won't? I think what bugs me the most about this thread is the thumbs down! It's not bad to get letters on bid day.

[SthrnZeta]

The thumbs down was my personal opinion. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone but I personally feel that you shouldn't wear letters until you really know what they stand for, and initiation provides that understanding, coupled with your pledge period. Obviously we disagree on that point, but we're from different orgs and different schools. I think the point made about campus climates was dead on.