What would you do if your son...

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I don't have any children yet, but if I did have a son, I wouldn't mind if he pledged another fraternity as long as it was within the NPHC. If it was any glo outside of the NPHC, then I would have an issue with that.

Why is that? Just curious....

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Why is that? Just curious....

If they did go outside of the NPHC, there would be nothing I could do. The reason why I would have some concern though is because during and before the turn of the Century African Americans were not allowed in white organizations, so we started our own. I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that my son is a member of an organization who's founders judged men by the color of their skin rather than by the content of their character. On another note, there are still some chapters that still segregate to this very day. I wouldn't want my son to be apart of that.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

If they did go outside of the NPHC, there would be nothing I could do. The reason why I would have some concern though is because during and before the turn of the Century African Americans were not allowed in white organizations, so we started our own. I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that my son is a member of an organization who's founders judged men by the color of their skin rather than by the content of their character. On another note, there are still some chapters that still segregate to this very day. I wouldn't want my son to be apart of that.

Interesting because this just happened on Ole Miss' campus:

Ole Miss Suspends Frat for One Year
By REGINA L. BURNS
Associated Press Writer

JACKSON, Miss. — A University of Mississippi fraternity has been suspended for a year after a black student said he was the victim of a racial slur and a physical assault at a party, school officials said Friday.
Freshman Jeremiah Taylor, 18, said he was pushed down the stairs while attending a Delta Kappa Epsilon party Aug. 22 on the Oxford campus, according to school officials. The student newspaper, The Daily Mississippian, reported Friday on its Web site that Taylor said he was called the N-word at the party.

Taylor, of Southaven, filed a complaint on Aug. 24 with the Dean of Students' office, said Jeffrey Alford, Associate Vice Chancellor for university relations at Ole Miss.

Alford said the party got out of hand and people were asked to leave. Taylor told Mississippi Public Broadcasting in a Sept. 10 radio report that he was on his way downstairs, when "a guy in an orange shirt threw a beer can at me and hit me in my left shoulder." Then others shoved him down the stairs, he said.

Ole Miss officials said Friday the school's judicial council had found the historically white fraternity guilty of violations of harassment, assault, disorderly conduct, possession of alcohol and hosting an unauthorized party.
Alford said the fraternity was also fined $1,000, which will be used to fund an alcohol and drug education program; its members were required to perform 20 hours of community service and attend a racial sensitivity program. Members can continue to live at the residence, but they cannot recruit or socialize, he said.

The newspaper reported this is the first strike against the fraternity in the school's two-strike alcohol policy.

When asked by The Associated Press if this was the first time Ole Miss had suspended a fraternity for racial slurs and harassment, Alford said, "I don't know. It certainly is the first time in recent memory."

He said that all Ole Miss freshmen take a creed that says "I believe in respect for the dignity of each person."

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Interesting because this just happened on Ole Miss' campus:

AKA_Monet thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I'm talking about, and the reason why I wouldn't want my sons or daughters pledging or getting involved in any of the white glos. They were founded on racist beliefs and they are still racist.

btw: You jokers outside of the NPHC can comment on my post here if you want to, but my opinions about your glos are going to remain unchanged.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

AKA_Monet thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I'm talking about, and the reason why I wouldn't want my sons or daughters pledging or getting involved in any of the white glos. They were founded on racist beliefs and they are still racist.

btw: You jokers outside of the NPHC can comment on my post here if you want to, but my opinions about your glos are going to remain unchanged.

That's funny.... wasn't your fraternity the first of the NPHC to also join the NIC?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That's funny.... wasn't your fraternity the first of the NPHC to also join the NIC?

doesn't seem like an apples to apples comparison to me.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

doesn't seem like an apples to apples comparison to me.

Kappa being part of the umbrella organization established for fraternities founded on "racist beliefs" is ironic to me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

AKA_Monet thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I'm talking about, and the reason why I wouldn't want my sons or daughters pledging or getting involved in any of the white glos. They were founded on racist beliefs and they are still racist.

btw: You jokers outside of the NPHC can comment on my post here if you want to, but my opinions about your glos are going to remain unchanged.

By your logic, you shouldn't wish to be a part of this country as it was found more on racist ideals than any fraternity. I don't know any fraternity with racist ideals. Racist past, yes, racist members, yes, but that is because of the society we live in.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

By your logic, you shouldn't wish to be a part of this country as it was found more on racist ideals than any fraternity. I don't know any fraternity with racist ideals. Racist past, yes, racist members, yes, but that is because of the society we live in.

Based on my logic I shouldn't wish to be a part of this country? Are you nuts!? Dude, I'm very proud to be a part of this country, because African Americans took a large part in building it to what it is now. On top of that, this all came with FREE labor too. You could have kept that comment.

Racist past? Huh? Girl, this stuff is still going on today. Rather it's the society we live in or not, judging anyone based on skin color alone is wrong and there's no excuse for that. It's just flat out wrong.
Also, there are still chapters within the NPC and IFC that to this very day have not initiated a black student. So it's still very much present. Again, I wouldn't be able to stop my children from joining outside of the NPHC umbrella group, but if they did, I would be very concerned for their safety and well being. I'm glad African American fraternities and sororities were founded, because if they weren't, then I wouldn't be greek at all, because I wouldn't be a part of an organization that was founded on racist beliefs. We helped in the process of building this country, so I'm proud to be a part of that. We didn't build your glos, we were and still are at some colleges across the country rejected from them for being black.


I think the best thing is for you and I to just agree to disagree.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Based on my logic I shouldn't wish to be a part of this country? Are you nuts!? Dude, I'm very proud to be a part of this country, because African Americans took a large part in building it to what it is now. On top of that, this all came with FREE labor too. You could have kept that comment.

Racist past? Huh? Girl, this stuff is still going on today. Rather it's the society we live in or not, judging anyone based on skin color alone is wrong and there's no excuse for that. It's just flat out wrong.
Also, there are still chapters within the NPC and IFC that to this very day have not initiated a black student. So it's still very much present. Again, I wouldn't be able to stop my children from joining outside of the NPHC umbrella group, but if they did, I would be very concerned for their safety and well being. I'm glad African American fraternities and sororities were founded, because if they weren't, then I wouldn't be greek at all, because I wouldn't be a part of an organization that was founded on racist beliefs. We helped in the process of building this country, so I'm proud to be a part of that. We didn't build your glos, we were and still are at some colleges across the country rejected from them for being black.


I think the best thing is for you and I to just agree to disagree.

You wouldn't want your children to be part of an organization you believe was "founded on racist ideals" but you're ok being part of a country that was founded on more racist ideals than any fraternity every could be?

Just as this country was founded with a "white male only" idea of freedom, many of our GLOs were founded with a "white male" then "white female" only idea of brotherhood or sisterhood. Our founders probably did not even consider the fact that a black person would be in college, much less interested in membership. They were products of their times.

Yes, there are members who are still racist. You ignored that part of my comment in your effort to emphasize how it's not all in the past. There are also campuses where not a single black person goes through recruitment (for men or women) because of a percieved bias that isn't necessarily there. Are there chapters of Kappa Alpha Psi that have never initiated a non-black person? A white person? Do you have members who would never accept a white person for membership?

Our society has these divisions in them and Greek life is a cross section of people. You cannot expect every Greek to be this perfect unbiased person.

That said, my sisters were of all colors. They were all supported, they were all loved. There was no distinction made either in their selection or in their membership. Things aren't all the same everywhere.

ETA I don't think I'm ever going to be ok with your mischaracterization of "white" GLOs. So no, I can't in good conscience "agree to disagree." I only hope your children would be able to follow their own heart and not their fathers.

[bluethunder]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that my son is a member of an organization who's founders judged men by the color of their skin rather than by the content of their character. On another note, there are still some chapters that still segregate to this very day. I wouldn't want my son to be apart of that.

While I understand your stance (really, I believe I get where you are coming from), weren't there NPHC orgs that have been historically NOTORIOUS for doing the very same thing-- judging potential members by the color of their skin as opposed to the full content of their characters? Perhaps "colorism" wasn't necessarily built into any of our founder's requisites for membership into any of our organizations, skin color hasn't been an issue solely affecting groups outside of the NPHC... and there are TONS more chapters in the NPHC who "segregate" amongs US (meaning people of color), too...
just a thought.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by bluethunder

While I understand your stance (really, I believe I get where you are coming from), weren't there NPHC orgs that have been historically NOTORIOUS for doing the very same thing-- judging potential members by the color of their skin as opposed to the full content of their characters? Perhaps "colorism" wasn't necessarily built into any of our founder's requisites for membership into any of our organizations, skin color hasn't been an issue solely affecting groups outside of the NPHC... and there are TONS more chapters in the NPHC who "segregate" amongs US (meaning people of color), too...
just a thought.

Read the letter form Willie Lynch and you'll see where this came from.

[Senusret I]

The Willie Lynch letter isn't real. http://blackeducator.blogspot.com/20...ch-speech.html

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The Willie Lynch letter isn't real. http://blackeducator.blogspot.com/20...ch-speech.html

It isn't? Oh, o.k.

Btw. Your fraternity won the stepshow during homecoming this past weekend. Congrats.

[bluethunder]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Read the letter form Willie Lynch and you'll see where this came from.

Okay-even if it is fictitious- I read that book last year (I bought it at the DuSable Museum in Chicago; if you are ever in the area, GO check this museum out!). . .
your point?