James, your approach has always worked better than any of the "punishment" types of approaches. Problems with members come from something, and it's always the responsibility of the group to find out what it really is and try to fix it. Our society always has had the idea that punishment was the best way to go to make "better" citizens, or members as it is in this discussion. I agree with you, work from the inside out and really fix what is wrong. Of course, when you can't fix it and it is an individual's problem, then you may have to go the other route, but at least an effort to make things right is the best way to go.
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