Dilemma DA or Stay

[Dilemma44]

I don't have a problem with standing up and trying to make a change, the problem becomes apparent when the process must be approved by national HQ and Alpha chapter, its not just my brothers I must convince (which is already a task in itself) And while me and my pbros are really close, they just dont share the same viewpoint I have about hazing. They don't really care.

As a sidenote, the initiation is nothing compared to pledging itself it's only because i feel lied too that this is even an issue. In terms toughness it shouldn't even be an issue because i could definately stand the physical aspects of it. It's the morals I have a problem with.

I know the older brothers quite well, I believe it will be almost impossible to convince them to stop hazing unless I'm in some sort of executive position (which would take more work than I have time for)

[UGAalum94]

Okay then, but you can see that your dropping has a much smaller effect on the welfare of the group overall.

But I don't think you should agree be hazed either.

You know what your choices are better than I do.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Dilemma44

I believe it will be almost impossible to convince them to stop hazing unless I'm in some sort of executive position (which would take more work than I have time for)

If you can't (or won't) invest the time required to make a positive impact on the fraternity, then you should quit. And it's probably going to sound mean to say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway (especially since you haven't really given us a whole lot of information, and all we can do is speculate)...

It sounds like you're trying to hide behind the excuse that your brothers have lied, instead of owning up to the realization that contributing to a Greek organization requires much effort.

You've made a couple of comments regarding not having the time to do what you think needs to be done for the benefit of the group. If you realize you don't have the time (which you've admitted), then just say you're quitting because you don't have the time. Don't say you're quitting because you feel like the group has less-than-desirable morals. Be honest. With yourself and the brotherhood. If you're not up front about why you're quitting, then you're lying just as much as the brothers you're complaining about.

[Dilemma44]

It's more than just not having the time, because if it was an organization that I thought was worth investing in then, any time would be necessary. But you have to understand that in order to reach an executive position I would have to actually go through the initiation process, pledge a few classes myself (all the while exemplifying the morals I'm against) then once I reach that position immediately denounce all I've ever gone through or done. Not to mention the chances of me being able to change Alpha chapter and HQ's mind's are slim to none.

I just think it's funny how just because I refuse to go through initiation and haze other pledges I'm being called out as having "no heart" and "no commitment" it would have been impossible to make it through pledging had been true. I've speant weeks staying up in bed agonizing myself over this decision.

The only chance I had to of changing the brotherhood was in the afformentioned posts above of the entire pledge class standing their ground against it. Unfortunately, the majority of my bros either have no opinion, or are firmly FOR the pledging process.

[UGAalum94]

Not a single person who posted wants you to haze others.

That's just crazy talk because you are making excuses about not trying to make reforms.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Dilemma44

Not to mention the chances of me being able to change Alpha chapter and HQ's mind's are slim to none.

I highly doubt your HQ is condoning the hazing.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I highly doubt your HQ is condoning the hazing.

Of course not!

But you are going to tell me it is not happening at this particular chapter?

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Dilemma44

Not to mention the chances of me being able to change Alpha chapter and HQ's mind's are slim to none.

So you're saying that your HQ not only condones the hazing, but requires it? I don't think so. The actives are lying to you again. I'd really love to see in some fraternity's bylaws that "taking wood" is required for initiation.

[pinkyphimu]

Wow. I am totally surprised that no one has said this already. Hazing is ILLEGAL. Not one HQ for any GLO (social or otherwise) condones this. Get out now. Pick up the phone and dial your HQ main number and let someone know what is happening.

True brothers (or sisters) don't haze in the first place.