Bid mismatch / computer error?

REE1993 · #1 09-07-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

She's #15 at ABC, and they fill quota with 1-10 - NO MATCH

Oh, and technically, she probably wouldn't be #1 at XYZ and #10 at DEF because first bid lists (the number of girls that add up to quota) are generally done in alphabetical order.

Two questions, purely for informational purposes only.

If quota is 10, and there are 20 names on the bid list, and 10 girls are not matched, then the girls whose names are at the lower end of the alphabet are cut simply bc their names appear lower on the alphabetical list?

Is it reasonable to say that there is a higher percentage of "no match" situations for girls whose last names start with a letter later in the alphabet?

If these assumptions are reasonable, has the issue been raised on a large scale?

This scenario really supports the fact that a cut can very well be due to something random and non-personal.

NutBrnHair · #2 09-07-2007, 01:28 PM

If quota is 10, the chapter's first bid list (of 10 names) is in alpha order. The second bid list (everyone else attending their pref parties...in your scenario, 10) would be in order of preference.

AlphaFrog · #3 09-07-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by REE1993

Two questions, purely for informational purposes only.

If quota is 10, and there are 20 names on the bid list, and 10 girls are not matched, then the girls whose names are at the lower end of the alphabet are cut simply bc their names appear lower on the alphabetical list?

Is it reasonable to say that there is a higher percentage of "no match" situations for girls whose last names start with a letter later in the alphabet?

If these assumptions are reasonable, has the issue been raised on a large scale?

This scenario really supports the fact that a cut can very well be due to something random and non-personal.

If Quota is TEN then only the first TEN girls are done alphabetically.

Everyone AFTER quota is then done in order of preference.

NutBrnHair · #4 09-07-2007, 01:30 PM

Oh my!!!! AlphaFrog and I responded at the same time AND said the same thing!

speedsters · #5 09-07-2007, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REE1993

Two questions, purely for informational purposes only.

If quota is 10, and there are 20 names on the bid list, and 10 girls are not matched, then the girls whose names are at the lower end of the alphabet are cut simply bc their names appear lower on the alphabetical list?

Is it reasonable to say that there is a higher percentage of "no match" situations for girls whose last names start with a letter later in the alphabet?

If these assumptions are reasonable, has the issue been raised on a large scale?

This scenario really supports the fact that a cut can very well be due to something random and non-personal.

if quota is 10 for ABC, then the first bid list will have 10 names in alphabetical order. so it would look like this, no matter if girl A was 10th or girl I was first, because quota is 10.
1.A
2.B
3.C
4.D
5.E
6.F
7.G
8.H
9.I
10.J

the second bid list would have the rest of the girls in number order

11.Z
12.K
13. Q
14. BB
15. K
16. M
17. L
18. AA
19.GG
20.Y

so for Z to move up to the first bid list, one of the first 10 girls matches to another sorority or she doesn't have ABC on her preference card.

i can see where your concern about later in alphabet girls, but if a girl whose last name is Z, she would only be last on the first bid list, which is up to quota, so if quota was 20, she would be 20 and if she had XYZ on her preference card and she was on the first bid list when it came out she would be an XYZ. it is done alphabetically so when going through the cards, it is just easier.

if you don't recieve a bid and you have maximized your options, it means you were just too far down on a bid list, which is why quota additions are used. but if you suicided DEF and lets say your last name starts with a W, and you didn't make it onto the first bid list, it not because your name, its because you were not high enough (girl 45) and they filled quota(25) before they got to you.

hope this makes sense.

ETA: hahaha, it took me so long to write this, that other people answered it first!

REE1993 · #6 09-07-2007, 02:14 PM

Many many thanks. It's very clear to me now.

PhoenixAzul · #7 09-07-2007, 05:07 PM

Reading this reminds me of a LSAT prep question, oye.

altered · #8 09-07-2007, 05:42 PM

Final question: is it a Panhellenic rule, as in it's in the "Green book", that the A list is not ranked? As in everyone is just considered #1? And so that would mean that alphabetizing, or randomly sorting, or whatever has no effect so long as the A list contains the same # of girls as quota?

sarasmile · #9 09-07-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by altered

Final question: is it a Panhellenic rule, as in it's in the "Green book", that the A list is not ranked? As in everyone is just considered #1? And so that would mean that alphabetizing, or randomly sorting, or whatever has no effect so long as the A list contains the same # of girls as quota?

The fact that the first bid list is alphabetical has no affect on what members are chosen, because the first bid list is equal to the number of women in quota.

If quota is 10 and all 10 of the ladies who are on DEF's first bid list put them first, it makes no difference whether Polly PNM is listed 2nd, 5th, or 10th on the list. She's one of the first 10 to match, so she gets a bid.

The only time the rank matters is once you move off the first bid list.

I have a copy of the Green Book around here somewhere - I'll have to pull it out to see whether its specifically stated that the 1st Bid List is alphabetical. (Not sure if its an actual rule, or if its something that has evolved b/c its easier to implement in practice and has no affect on the bids issued from the 1st bid list.)

UGAalum94 · #10 09-07-2007, 06:04 PM

I think that GLO can turn in the list sorted anyway they want right, with the understanding that girls will be matched in order? They just have to follow their own internal policies, which I think might require alphabetizing so that from the group's perspective all first list is number one.

Soliloquy · #11 09-13-2007, 05:41 AM

I do have a question about listing only one sorority...

Our panhellenic only let us list the sororities whose preference parties we attended. Since I only attended one, I was forced to suicide. Let's say quota was 25, and I was 24 on the bid list and 35 on the alpha list, it's plausible then that I didn't recieve a bid due to my placement on the alpha list and the fact that I only listed one sorority? Not looking for any sort of sugar-coated pat on the back, just trying to understand how this works!

Man, that's some complicated stuff.

AOII Angel · #12 09-13-2007, 06:03 AM

Hi Soliloquy,

You would only be on the bid list once. You are either on Bid list A which would include the top 25 girls the chapter wants in alphabetical order (the same number as quota.) Bid list B lists the remaining girls you invited to pref in order of how much you want them as sisters. If you did not match with the group, then you were not on Bid list A. They must have made quota before they reached your name on Bid list B. Listing only one group on your pref card when you only were invited to one party is not suiciding (I was in the same boat.) You did maximize your options. Does your campus not do quota additions? Any word on COB?

Angel

Soliloquy · #13 09-13-2007, 04:23 PM

They didn't do quota additions, which was rather unfortunate because a lot of girls went without a bid. That's part of the reason I'm trying to understand bid matching. Perhaps they didn't calculate quota correctly or something, because on most campuses if you go to prefs- you will get a bid. However, I'm pretty sure we all just had bad luck as to where our names were listed and how we were matched.

Every chapter on campus is at total, so there won't be any COB events. There is a chance for winter informal, but that won't be known until sometime in November or December.

Oh and I think I remember reading someplace that cross-cutting is a myth. Would I be correct in that assumption or can it really happen?

FSUZeta · #14 09-13-2007, 05:54 PM

it is interesting(and unfortunate) that there were no quota additions.

i believe that cross cutting(mismatching) happens.

hopefully there will be some chapters who have a few slots open up in january, and i hope you are invited to their events!

AOII Angel · #15 09-13-2007, 05:56 PM

Quota is simply calculated by the number of women invited to prefs divided by the number of groups on campus. Unfortunately, it doesn't take into account how many women are pref'ing each group. If a lot of women only have one group, and that group fills prior to their name being called, they will not get a bid. Dividing it up this way seems like it would account for everyone, but it can't. Remember, these groups are often competing for the same women. It's a shame your campus doesn't do quota additions, but it's likely that they don't want to raise campus total. Sounds like you could use another group on campus. You might ask if they are open for expansion. The Greek Life office would know this.