Sexual orientation and MS

Little32 · #1 08-29-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JonoBN41

Some 50 years ago, I was raised very traditionally and conservatively too. Then I realized I had a brain and that I could think for myself. What a wonderful thing.

"So easy, a caveman can do it."

OK. You crack me up. What is ironic is that the biggest homophobes here are going to end up with a child that is gay, because that is just how these things seem to work out. (*cough* Dick Cheney *cough*)

UGAalum94 · #2 08-29-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32

OK. You crack me up. What is ironic is that the biggest homophobes here are going to end up with a child that is gay, because that is just how these things seem to work out. (*cough* Dick Cheney *cough*)

What knowledge do you have about Dick Cheney's homophobia?

Little32 · #3 08-29-2007, 10:15 PM

Didn't he at one point disown his own daugther because of her sexuality?

UGAalum94 · #4 08-29-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32

Didn't he at one point disown his own daugther because of her sexuality?

No, I don't think he did.

ETA: just from wiki, we know what that's good for but; "In the biography, Cheney discusses how she came out to her parents, noting her father's initial reaction: "You know, look, you're my daughter and I love you and I just want you to be happy."

Little32 · #5 08-29-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

No, I don't think he did.

ETA: just from wiki, we know what that's good for but; "In the biography, Cheney discusses how she came out to her parents, noting her father's initial reaction: "You know, look, you're my daughter and I love you and I just want you to be happy."

If that is the case, I stand corrected. Though I think the point still stands, that there are gay children even in ultra-conservative, traditional families. I am sure they are often the ones in these fraternities that are so deeply closeted that people would never suspect they were gay.

SOPi_Jawbreaker · #6 08-29-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32

If that is the case, I stand corrected. Though I think the point still stands, that there are gay children even in ultra-conservative, traditional families. I am sure they are often the ones in these fraternities that are so deeply closeted that people would never suspect they were gay.

This is a off-topic tangent, but I had to share the irony. I'm watching the 11 o'clock news as I'm reading this thread, and the current story is about a pastor that put a sign up saying "Help For the Homosexual" outside the church. This story broke a couple days ago, but the new twist is that the pastor has a lesbian daughter who is speaking out against him tonight.

AlwaysSAI · #7 08-29-2007, 11:11 PM

I did not make a judgment about you or your entire chapter. You are the one that made the statement. I just merely quoted it.

And, you may treat a gay man who comes into your house with respect while he is there, but if you are excluding him from membership solely because of his sexual orientation, then you are not giving him the respect he deserves as a PNM of your fraternity.

macallan25 · #8 08-29-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32

OK. You crack me up. What is ironic is that the biggest homophobes here are going to end up with a child that is gay, because that is just how these things seem to work out. (*cough* Dick Cheney *cough*)

Oh.......now instead of Neanderthals.......we're homophobes.

Jesus, some of you people shouldn't be allowed to think without supervision.

SNUIGC · #9 08-29-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh.......now instead of Neanderthals.......we're homophobes.

Jesus, some of you people shouldn't be allowed to think without supervision.

Well, actually, the use of the term homophobe in this case is technically correct....to quote the definition of it, from wikipedia:

"Homophobia (from Greek ὁμο homo(sexual), "same, equal" + φοβία (phobia), "fear", literally "fear of the same") is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[3][4] Several dictionaries also associate irrationality with this type of fear.[attribution needed] It can also mean hatred, hostility, disapproval of, or prejudice towards homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to insinuate bigotry"

Little32 · #10 08-29-2007, 10:25 PM

@SNUIGC I know nothing, if I don't know language

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SNUIGC · #11 08-29-2007, 10:29 PM

@Little32 Hey, I've gotta protect a sister when she's in the right...what type of Southern Gentleman would I be if I let that happen?

macallan25 · #12 08-29-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SNUIGC

Well, actually, the use of the term homophobe in this case is technically correct....to quote the definition of it, from wikipedia:

"Homophobia (from Greek ὁμο homo(sexual), "same, equal" + φοβία (phobia), "fear", literally "fear of the same") is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[3][4] Several dictionaries also associate irrationality with this type of fear.[attribution needed] It can also mean hatred, hostility, disapproval of, or prejudice towards homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to insinuate bigotry"

If you want to be a "technical" asshat and call me a homophobe because I "disapprove" of homosexuality....be my guest.

Personally, I save the homophobe moniker for people who have a little more extreme feeling toward gays. Yeah, I disapprove of homosexuals. I also disapprove of tomatoes. Doesn't mean I'm scared of them, or have a fear of them, or am hostile towards them, or show them hatred.

macallan25 · #13 08-29-2007, 11:04 PM

AlwaysSAI.....who in the hell are you to label me and my entire chapter? I'd be willing to bet you don't know a thing about me or any one of my fraternity brothers. I'm pretty sure that I can be open-minded while still disapproving of certain things in life. As far as having gay brothers.........what does that have to do with anything? Explain that one.....because I'm at a loss.

As far as you quoting the TG.......spare me the self-righteous garbage. I have no problem stating that I am a very respectable gentleman and that I alway try to present myself like one. The fact that I don't approve of homosexuality does not, in any way, mean that I am incapable of treating homosexuals with the same civility and personal respect that I would a straight man or woman. Just because I don't approve of someone being a member of my fraternity.......doesn't mean that I don't respect them or think that they are good people.