NPHC Secretiveness, Insularity, Etc.

[nwu43]

[quote=ChildoftheHorn;1495595]

There is not unity. There are quite a few people pushing for it, but IMO people have retained many of the prejudices against the Orgs. (this is a two way street).

Hmmm... do you remember that "famous" NU daily article written awhile back?

Mocking Diversity's Promise
(and everyone else should take a look at this too.. it's.. interesting)

"The lead article in The Daily's final issue of fall 2006 focused on declining black enrollment since the 1970s. Apparently NU is in some sort of crisis - there aren't enough blacks here. For now, this isn't our crisis. Our crisis is that blacks and other minorities do not spend enough time in any context with other races (and vice versa). Increasing the enrollment ratio of any race will not increase the interaction between different races and backgrounds. If NU were to eliminate social groups that construct themselves on race or a "cultural history," it would be the first step to resolving this crisis."

This article was written by a member of an IFC fraternity, basically calling for NPHC and MGC greeks to disappear, and from what I remember he wasn't the only one that held this opinion. Besides one guy from his fraternity that joined "our" cause in protest, most of the guys in his house totally agreed with him.

The NPHC and MGC greeks held a unity rally to protest, and apparently the guys in that house called our rally "bullshit" (this is a direct quote from the fraternity member who sided with us and overheard it). Other IFC greeks seemed to hold similar feelings about us. Of course, that is just from what I hear... but still, I'm pretty sure there's some truth to that. At end of our rally we held an event at Norris where everyone could discuss the issue and make speeches etc..., and some ignorant **** dressed in a bunny costume ran by trying to distract us and mock us.

It's kind of hard for us to want to work toward unity with mainstream Greeks when it seems like they really don't like us

[nwu43]

Btw, I know that he was writing for unity and more interaction between different races, but his definition of unity is much much different.. (kinda like the perfect Greek world would be all races in IFC frats). Although in a strange way I feel like not 100% of his article is completely bs, and I feel terrible about it...

[nwu43]

Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack this thread. But just for fun, I'd like you guys to note the irony of his final paragraph.

[ChildoftheHorn]

Tehe -- there are a lot of member here who are from NU....I didnt think there were many -- but I was surprised!

[DSTRen13]

[QUOTE=nwu43;1496293]

Originally Posted by ChildoftheHorn

Hmmm... do you remember that "famous" NU daily article written awhile back?

Mocking Diversity's Promise
(and everyone else should take a look at this too.. it's.. interesting)

"The lead article in The Daily's final issue of fall 2006 focused on declining black enrollment since the 1970s. Apparently NU is in some sort of crisis - there aren't enough blacks here. For now, this isn't our crisis. Our crisis is that blacks and other minorities do not spend enough time in any context with other races (and vice versa). Increasing the enrollment ratio of any race will not increase the interaction between different races and backgrounds. If NU were to eliminate social groups that construct themselves on race or a "cultural history," it would be the first step to resolving this crisis."

This article was written by a member of an IFC fraternity, basically calling for NPHC and MGC greeks to disappear, and from what I remember he wasn't the only one that held this opinion. Besides one guy from his fraternity that joined "our" cause in protest, most of the guys in his house totally agreed with him.

The NPHC and MGC greeks held a unity rally to protest, and apparently the guys in that house called our rally "bullshit" (this is a direct quote from the fraternity member who sided with us and overheard it). Other IFC greeks seemed to hold similar feelings about us. Of course, that is just from what I hear... but still, I'm pretty sure there's some truth to that. At end of our rally we held an event at Norris where everyone could discuss the issue and make speeches etc..., and some ignorant **** dressed in a bunny costume ran by trying to distract us and mock us.

It's kind of hard for us to want to work toward unity with mainstream Greeks when it seems like they really don't like us

So basically the only way to be unified is to all be the same???

[SWTXBelle]

To interject another perspective here - one of the things I valued about my sisterhood was the fact that I was NOT in a group where we were all the same. I had sisters of different races, majors, ages, interests, and I think it was a very good thing.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

To interject another perspective here - one of the things I valued about my sisterhood was the fact that I was NOT in a group where we were all the same. I had sisters of different races, majors, ages, interests, and I think it was a very good thing.

I wasn't trying to say that everyone in an NPC/IFC group is all the same. I was responding to the article, and anyone else who believes that there is no need for NPHC, MGC, or any other groups outside of NPC/IFC groups - that these groups are the key to unity and the existence of other groups detracts from it.

We can be unified without all being the same. If you can do it within a sorority, you can do it within Greek life in general.

[ChildoftheHorn]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I wasn't trying to say that everyone in an NPC/IFC group is all the same.

I actually believe that there is a genuine NEED for MGC and NPHC groups. They do a lot to help preserve and improve those issues facing their community. Without them, there would be silience about a lot of things. Also, it preserves the culture to which the organization associates itself with.

Believe me, if the MGC and NPHC were gone tommorrow, they would be missed and needed.

It isn't about race, its about culture and pride in that culture.

Who better to address the needs of a culture than those within it?

Plus, who would throw all the cool events they do w/o them?

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by nwu43

Hmmm... do you remember that "famous" NU daily article written awhile back?

Mocking Diversity's Promise
(and everyone else should take a look at this too.. it's.. interesting)

Wow! While reading this article and the comments, I

[nwu43]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

Wow! While reading this article and the comments, I

Well, it doesn't seem like many people read it or got the irony of the final paragraph.

So just in case you didn't see it, he ended his anti-NPHC/MGC rant with "Martin Luther King Jr. dreamed of the day when all races could sit together at a table of brotherhood. We have that opportunity today. Let's take it."

Basically he quoted a famous Alpha to support his article promoting the elimination of cultural and ethnic Greeks.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by nwu43

Well, it doesn't seem like many people read it or got the irony of the final paragraph.

So just in case you didn't see it, he ended his anti-NPHC/MGC rant with "Martin Luther King Jr. dreamed of the day when all races could sit together at a table of brotherhood. We have that opportunity today. Let's take it."

Basically he quoted a famous Alpha to support his article promoting the elimination of cultural and ethnic Greeks.

I pay articles like this one absolutely no mind. The idea of cultural/ethnic GLO's being against diversity is absurd, especially when we all know that the lack of diversity was initially caused by predominately White GLO's. What cracks me up is that some members of predominately White GLO's refuse to see their own organizations as contributing to the lack of diversity even today. So when these organizations decided to not be racist anymore, were BGLO's supposed to abandon their focus on their communities and go running to unify with predominately White GLO's? Yeah right. The bottom line is, the same way that cultural GLO's support each other while still serving their own communities is the same way that predominately White GLO's can support and find unity with ethnic GLO's. We don't have to be the SAME to support one another and this is the point that the guy who wrote the article is missing.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So when these organizations decided to not be racist anymore, were BGLO's supposed to abandon their focus on their communities and go running to unify with predominately White GLO's? Yeah right. The bottom line is, the same way that cultural GLO's support each other while still serving their own communities is the same way that predominately White GLO's can support and find unity with ethnic GLO's. We don't have to be the SAME to support one another and this is the point that the guy who wrote the article is missing.

I was gonna say that, but I am tired of arguing with folks. Or rather, I don't see why I need present my Sorority or any in the D9 as legit. Hayle we now have 2 organizations that are 100 years old--well one is already and we are about to be next. You think that some slimy lame dude who writes some crap really gonna take us down?

Yes, there is a possibility of a new fraternity or sorority who wants to join the D9. And we have a process as to how that happens...

[Mochababy_989]

I wish I woulda found this thread b4. I couldve prevented myself from looking stupid.

[nwu43]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

The idea of cultural/ethnic GLO's being against diversity is absurd, especially when we all know that the lack of diversity was initially caused by predominately White GLO's. What cracks me up is that some members of predominately White GLO's refuse to see their own organizations as contributing to the lack of diversity even today. So when these organizations decided to not be racist anymore, were BGLO's supposed to abandon their focus on their communities and go running to unify with predominately White GLO's? Yeah right. The bottom line is, the same way that cultural GLO's support each other while still serving their own communities is the same way that predominately White GLO's can support and find unity with ethnic GLO's. We don't have to be the SAME to support one another and this is the point that the guy who wrote the article is missing.

I think he was trying to imply that ethnic Greeks are exclusive and discriminatory but mainstream Greeks are not -anymore- (i.e. IFC and NPC Greeks only happen to be predominantly white nowadays because people of other races choose not to join and "mix" with them).

I pay articles like this one absolutely no mind.

Our unity rally following that article was quite impressive (we even had organizations from other schools join us), but actually many NPHC organizations did not even come out. We learned later that they didn't even think it was worth the bother, and it seems like you feel the same way? Out of curiosity (if it's true!), what do you think is the best way to respond to articles like that--? Or do you think they should simply be ignored?

Sorry, I know this isn't on topic, I just had to ask this question

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by nwu43

I think he was trying to imply that ethnic Greeks are exclusive and discriminatory but mainstream Greeks are not -anymore- (i.e. IFC and NPC Greeks only happen to be predominantly white nowadays because people of other races choose not to join and "mix" with them).

Our unity rally following that article was quite impressive (we even had organizations from other schools join us), but actually many NPHC organizations did not even come out. We learned later that they didn't even think it was worth the bother, and it seems like you feel the same way? Out of curiosity (if it's true!), what do you think is the best way to respond to articles like that--? Or do you think they should simply be ignored?

Sorry, I know this isn't on topic, I just had to ask this question

The thing is...if I thought this guy (and people like him) "truly" wanted to create an atmosphere of unity and diversity among all GLO's, I might be willing to try and see where he's coming from or at least I might try and help him to see why ethnic GLO's are so important to their communities today and yesterday. But most people with this view only want things to be their way or no way. They could really care less about greek diversity and supporting one another. How can you truly want diversity and unity among greeks when you say things like ethnic GLO's shouldn't exist? I would think that kind of talk would ostracize these groups even more and if this guy knew our history or anything significant about us, he would know that it's been 100 years and we aren't going anywhere. So the bottom line is that this guy and many like him are not very smart because how is it possible to live in a society such as America and not see her problems, no matter what race, religion, gender, etc. you are? To not understand how very important ethnic GLO's are to their communities is to live in a fantasy world where no one but people like yourself exists. So I think my fellow NPHC greeks especially know that this line of thinking is uneducated and they don't want to entertain it at all and I agree that these people should be ignored. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions just as long as they don't invade private space. Now the guy may have had a better argument if he said that ALL greeks might benefit socially from diversifying their membership more without changing their focus. That might have made for a smarter argument that NPHC members might have participated in.