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Old 08-01-2007, 04:59 PM
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Congenial, dogged persistence or portraying false numbers and fake information, same difference I guess.

Of course High Pi training gave you the politically correct version. They aren't going to tell you he was kicked out of the fraternity he started, or that one of the primary reasons he started a fraternity was for business and economic reasons.

I also believe Jack Mason's vision more accurately represents what Lambda Chi Alpha is today than Warren Cole's vision.

So I guess by using Cole's name on recruitment material, it is an endorsement by Lambda Chi Alpha to tell prospective members we have 44 brothers in a chapter when we only have 4?
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:01 PM
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Congenial, dogged persistence or portraying false numbers and fake information, same difference I guess.

Of course High Pi training gave you the politically correct version. They aren't going to tell you he was kicked out of the fraternity he started, or that one of the primary reasons he started a fraternity was for business and economic reasons.

I also believe Jack Mason's vision more accurately represents what Lambda Chi Alpha is today than Warren Cole's vision.

So I guess by using Cole's name on recruitment material, it is an endorsement by Lambda Chi Alpha to tell prospective members we have 44 brothers in a chapter when we only have 4?

He said he was sorry...
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:15 PM
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Ottor, thanks for an excellent run down of the basics of the program. I want to be enthusiastic about it, but I still don't understand how it works in practice.

Boz said it's for everybody, but I have to see how it applies to those who have already graduated. Will it come to a point when there are "true" brothers, and the rest of us are just "regular" brothers?

I can see this working if one starts as an AM, but how do alumni participate, integrate, and support it? I'm still unclear on that. Or is the saying true - you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:52 PM
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Ottor, thanks for an excellent run down of the basics of the program. I want to be enthusiastic about it, but I still don't understand how it works in practice.

Boz said it's for everybody, but I have to see how it applies to those who have already graduated. Will it come to a point when there are "true" brothers, and the rest of us are just "regular" brothers?

I can see this working if one starts as an AM, but how do alumni participate, integrate, and support it? I'm still unclear on that. Or is the saying true - you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
I am waiting for the new C&C, hopefully there is more of a narrative. I keep checking fraternity manuals for the new manuals, no luck.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:54 PM
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Good point Jono. If we are supposed to recruit "true brothers" of the same values, etc., where does that leave the rest of us? Also, shouldn't the values of the fraternity be determined by membership and alumni, and not some guidelines set forth by an exclusive group of brothers? Will we be "false" brothers?
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:08 PM
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Good point Jono. If we are supposed to recruit "true brothers" of the same values, etc., where does that leave the rest of us? Also, shouldn't the values of the fraternity be determined by membership and alumni, and not some guidelines set forth by an exclusive group of brothers? Will we be "false" brothers?
Ive seen few who have lost their way a bit too easy...

It is a lot like a check list. I doubt Nationals is going to come knocking on our door to make sure that every AM is a True Brother.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:13 PM
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Or to paraphrase George Orwell, "All brothers are true brothers, some are just truer than others." Just kidding.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:55 PM
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I've been thinking about this. I'm not so sure I like the idea that there is a specific "type" that we should pursue or strive to become. I've always liked the diversity of Gamma Zeta; rich, poor, young, old, white, black, asian, jewish, christian, political, scientific, lazy, ambitious, studious, party-animal...

If we were encouraged to go after any type of standard, other than being a good guy, I think we would have missed out on a lot of good brothers.

In fact, the more I think about it the less I like it. I also think it is very insulting to those that are alumni, the one's that made LXA what it is today.

It's almost like saying "Hey good job alumni on all your hard work and donations which helped form Lambda Chi Alpha, but you don't really fit in anymore. Oh by the way, we will now encourage your chapter to recruit a specific type of person, who will most likely be completely different from the type of people you and your fellow alumni are. Your "type" isn't welcome in the future of the fraternity, but you are more than welcome to stick around and donate your time and money to this practice of elitism."
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