Univesity of Texas at Arlington- Greek Life?

[alum]

So the PNMs should PM Mac if they want the honest truth about any tiers in TX, SEC or any other Southern university or LAC?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by alum

So the PNMs should PM Mac if they want the honest truth about any tiers in TX, SEC or any other Southern university or LAC?

Honestly, it's what I do. I know he can give me a very specific take from a particular point of view.

I disagree with him though about there being truly bad groups even as he defined it at UGA. Even groups that have struggled with numbers at one point or another have always been involved and successful with extracurriculars and campus leadership and participate fully in campus life, except probably for having socials with the groups that Macallen would say were the best.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Well, at UGA I only have a good amount of knowledge about the groups that are commonly considered to be strong. I don't know enough about everyone else to even begin to comment on them. That's why I only have commented on the chapters that I know are pretty good.

Well even if you did think some were bad, I think you'd be clear about the standard that you were using. There may be groups you would think were truly terrible, but it wouldn't be because they didn't participate in anything. Participate in the stuff you considered worthwhile, maybe, who knows?

But as I said before, unless you know what a girl's options were, it doesn't really help her or the groups that much to give her the breakdown. If someone needed a car, you could tell her how great certain kinds are, but if she can only afford something at the Honda level, does it make any sense to sell her on Mercedes?

ETA: I apologize for that lame attempt at analogy.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Well even if you did think some were bad, I think you'd be clear about the standard that you were using. There may be groups you would think were truly terrible, but it wouldn't be because they didn't participate in anything. Participate in the stuff you considered worthwhile, maybe, who knows?

But as I said before, unless you know what a girl's options were, it doesn't really help her or the groups that much to give her the breakdown. If someone needed a car, you could tell her how great certain kinds are, but if she can only afford something at the Honda level, does it make any sense to sell her on Mercedes?

ETA: I apologize for that lame attempt at analogy.

Haha, no I understand. I see your point.

.....it's a good one.

[blackngoldengrl]

Why is it the men on here feel the need to comment on sorority or women's fraternity affairs? As some have said, many of us would like to keep things Panhellenic. Anyone who wants to could easily PM the OP with that info if need be, even the men on here. I agree with OTW. "Stay in your lane."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by blackngoldengrl

Why is it the men on here feel the need to comment on sorority or women's fraternity affairs? As some have said, many of us would like to keep things Panhellenic. Anyone who wants to could easily PM the OP with that info if need be, even the men on here. I agree with OTW. "Stay in your lane."

I understand what you are saying, but guys' opinions about reputation matter a lot to PNMs, probably too much. The same way that fraternities will give rush shirts to pretty girls on some campuses, what guys say about the "good" groups matters a lot. We can pretend otherwise on GreekChat and just wait for them to get to campus. That's fine by me.

[alum]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

I understand what you are saying, but guys' opinions about reputation matter a lot to PNMs, probably too much. The same way that fraternities will give rush shirts to pretty girls on some campuses, what guys say about the "good" groups matters a lot. We can pretend otherwise on GreekChat and just wait for them to get to campus. That's fine by me.

Is this a reason to go back to fall recruitment? Perhaps instead of following their instincts, the impressionable female freshmen listen to men saying ABC are wonderful,party-hardy girls while GHI are all sticks-in-the-mud and QQQ is composed of the overly-friendly girls.

[UGAalum94]

Overly friendly girls: whatever do you mean?

I'm accustomed to fall recruitment, so I can't really say.

I'm kind of a Greek life fatalist about some things. There's not a lot of tinkering that schools or Panhellenics can do to change the desires and behaviors of 18 years about social groups.

When I stop and think about it, I'm actually pretty impressed at what the NPC is able to do in terms of recruitment and ensuring the success of as many groups as possible, but there's probably a limit.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by alum

Is this a reason to go back to fall recruitment? Perhaps instead of following their instincts, the impressionable female freshmen listen to men saying ABC are wonderful,party-hardy girls while GHI are all sticks-in-the-mud and QQQ is composed of the overly-friendly girls.

At least with Spring Rush, they will have heard the stories, but if they're truely interested, they have time to check the groups out themselves, outside of formal rush, and form their own opinion.

[blackngoldengrl]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

I understand what you are saying, but guys' opinions about reputation matter a lot to PNMs, probably too much. The same way that fraternities will give rush shirts to pretty girls on some campuses, what guys say about the "good" groups matters a lot. We can pretend otherwise on GreekChat and just wait for them to get to campus. That's fine by me.

Considering why most of us were founded, I'd say guys' opinions definitely matter too much. But the times change and campuses vary...ah well.
OP: Good luck with recruitment, I hope you find the info you are looking for.

[banditone]

[quote=blackngoldengrl;1492159]Why is it the men on here feel the need to comment on sorority or women's fraternity affairs? [quote]


I guess because the title of the site is "GreekChat", and I'm greek. Perhaps they should change it to keep-your-opinion-to-yourself.com instead. (I checked, and it is available. $8.95/year).

Kidding of course. I probably wouldn't even have anything to say in most threads asking about GLO's on most campuses as I only have insight into a few, but not having the ability to speak up if I wanted is what bugs me I guess.

[blackngoldengrl]

I guess because the title of the site is "GreekChat", and I'm greek. Perhaps they should change it to keep-your-opinion-to-yourself.com instead. (I checked, and it is available. $8.95/year).

Kidding of course. I probably wouldn't even have anything to say in most threads asking about GLO's on most campuses as I only have insight into a few, but not having the ability to speak up if I wanted is what bugs me I guess.[/QUOTE]

I still maintain that for questions like these, perhaps the male opinion is not warranted. The OP (you still around FJ?) asked about sororities at her school. OTW gave an answer that we don't really talk about reputations or tiers or whatever on GC. That's something that many of the sororities just don't do here, and is not very "Panhellenic." I just wish that those of you who aren't in sororities would respect that, and not comment further on it. Whether you like it or not.
Similarly, if a guy here is asking about fraternities (in reference to which is "better") I wouldn't comment, since I have no idea about the fraternities AND my opinion doesn't mean a thing. (not sure if you guys feel it is also...um...non-interfraternal?)

I think most guys on GC don't tend to comment that much on that sort of thing, and I for one appreciate it. That being said, I'm not one to trample on anyone's right to say what they want.

ETA: banditone-read your most recent post. I would say it's nice, but again in talking to a PNM...keep that one to yourself. I do support telling another Tri Delta member that her chapter there was impressive. It's nice to hear good things about your sisters from across the country. That being said, we do have threads on here "which glo would you be in if you were the other gender or another council?" where i've seen plenty of comments like yours. *shrugs shoulders*

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by alum

So the PNMs should PM Mac if they want the honest truth about any tiers in TX, SEC or any other Southern university or LAC?

You can be a smart ass all day long....I'm simply being honest.

..........yeah though, I would be more than happy to give an honest rundown of schools that I am very familiar with.

[alum]

Originally Posted by macallen25

You can be a smart ass all day long....I'm simply being honest ..........yeah though, I would be more than happy to give an honest rundown of schools that I am very familiar with..

Actually I was being serious. As one who has been accused of being preoccupied with rankings many times on GC, I find your tier posts quite refreshing (and accurate).

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by alum

Actually I was being serious. As one who has been accused of being preoccupied with tier systems many times on GC, I find your honest posts quite refreshing (and accurate).

If that's the case then I apologize. I just read it that way. Definitely sorry.