Countering the Dems

Rudey · #1 07-23-2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

She was before she decided she was a presidential candidate. These days, she's just whatever it takes to win the election.

Actually as a member of the DLC she's considered a centrist. What are you talking about?

-Rudey

shinerbock · #2 07-23-2007, 10:47 AM

I think its...

Obama------Clinton-------MIDDLE--Rudy-----Romney/Thompson

honeychile · #3 07-23-2007, 11:01 AM

I think this is going to be a fascinating election. One part of me says that it's the Democrats' to lose, but there's no one outstanding candidate in either party.

Just once, I'd like to vote FOR a candidate, not AGAINST the other person!

Tom Earp · #4 07-23-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

I think this is going to be a fascinating election. One part of me says that it's the Democrats' to lose, but there's no one outstanding candidate in either party.

Just once, I'd like to vote FOR a candidate, not AGAINST the other person!

OMG, true that!

There is not realy a strong candidate from any where that can be seen on the horizon!

Amazing on how much money is collected to get a winner and for what? Favors!

OneTimeSBX · #5 07-23-2007, 02:44 PM

i truly dont consider myself either, although i tend to sway more towards the Democratic side.

i truly dont know what the dems are gonna do. there are dems who wont vote for Hill just because she is a woman. and there are dems who wont vote for Obama because he is black. they should let them run together on one ticket, and if the dems win the overall election they count up the votes and whichever one gets the most is prez, 2nd place is vp. its a win-win situation if you ask me...

DeltAlum · #6 07-23-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Just once, I'd like to vote FOR a candidate, not AGAINST the other person!

Thank you, and good night.

Rudey · #7 07-23-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think its...

Obama------Clinton-------MIDDLE--Rudy-----Romney/Thompson

In terms of moderate, Clinton and Rudy are from the center of their respective parties. Some may even say Clinton is center-right and Rudey is center-left.

-Rudey

UGAalum94 · #8 07-23-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

In terms of moderate, Clinton and Rudy are from the center of their respective parties. Some may even say Clinton is center-right and Rudey is center-left.

-Rudey

Rudey, how do you figure Rudy is at the center of the Republican party? I'm curious about your thinking.

He just seems to me to be on the very liberal side of the Republican party (not the spectrum overall, just Republicans), but you may be doing some fun subtraction of the religious right "conservatives" from the equation.

Seriously will you break it down for me?

RACooper · #9 07-23-2007, 08:10 PM

I think Rudey is basing it on Rudy's stance on issues and how they line up with the over all polling of registered Republicans - both the CBC and BBC rate him as a moderate or left-leaning Republican in there political analysis of the US Presidential Nomination race.

UGAalum94 · #10 07-23-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

I think Rudey is basing it on Rudy's stance on issues and how they line up with the over all polling of registered Republicans - both the CBC and BBC rate him as a moderate or left-leaning Republican in there political analysis of the US Presidential Nomination race.

Yeah, I understood that he was basing it on Rudy's stand on the issues. I was hoping he would break down the issues for me that pull him to the center of the party.

I don't come up with any that are anything but center or left for the party when I do it myself.

Can you think of many (any?) other elected Republican more liberal that Rudy?

I think he's a centrist on the complete spectrum which means he's not also going to really be at the center of the right.

Does that make sense? Rudey's quote said they were both at the center of their parties, not moderates or centrists overall, which I would have completely agreed with.

UGAalum94 · #11 07-23-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

I think Rudey is basing it on Rudy's stance on issues and how they line up with the over all polling of registered Republicans - both the CBC and BBC rate him as a moderate or left-leaning Republican in there political analysis of the US Presidential Nomination race.

CBC and BBC? You mean Canadian Broadcasting and British Broadcasting?

shinerbock · #12 07-23-2007, 09:49 PM

I'd put it like this...

Obama- I think his "moderate" tone covers for his liberal tendencies. This was also the case with Edwards in 2004. However, Edwards Senate record and attitude since the election have shown his legitimately liberal nature. I think Obama is the same.

Hillary- Likewise, since 9/11 she has toned herself to a moderate level, which I think hides some of her liberal nature. Socialized medicine wasn't moderate the first time she proposed it, and it isn't a moderate idea now. The question is whether she values ideology over opportunism. My opinion is no, she doesn't. Therefore, many on the right may detest her, but they also would probably rather have her become president than Obama, who may not be as hesitant to push for "progressive" change.

Guiliani- He's close to the center. Very questionable on abortion rights and even public funding (to conservatives, of course).

Thompson/Romney- Both have detractors and past incidents which take away some of their conservative appeal, but both also have fairly conservative records and current ideologies.

Of course, its hard to say where everyone is on the political spectrum. The problem is with what positions define what label.

UGAalum94 · #13 07-23-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think its...

Obama------Clinton-------MIDDLE--Rudy-----Romney/Thompson

I don't imagine that is draw to scale, but do you think either Romney or Thompson are as far to the right as Obama is to the left?

Obama appeals to me for a lot of reasons, but I think he's more a Pat Buchannan distance from the center on the opposite side. (ETA: I've looked at him a little more closely, and I admit he may not be that far out there after all. Economically, he's a little more centrist than I thought. It's still hard for me to see him as equally close to the center as Romney and Thompson, but it's my vantage point more that his location. He's not on the left wing fringes of the party like Pat B on the right, but he's pretty far from where I am.)

I really do think that most people would vote for Black or women candidates; I just don't think they will abandon the issues to do it for the sake of doing it, and that's what someone on the right voting for Obama would have to do.

I have a hard time imagining that there's an issue Hilary would stick with if it didn't poll well. That might mean she's a pragmatic winner or it might mean she has no moral core.