Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix (film)

MysticCat · #1 07-15-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi

4. I was surprised that they didn't "show" Snape leaving Hogwarts and going "undercover" (whatever you want to call it) since that is HUGE in HBP. Him being undercover is the reason he agrees to the 'blood oath' (or whatever it was and I can't pull out HBP because it's back in some box in my gargage, otherwise I would. I should find it before Saturday).

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Originally Posted by polarpi

Point #4: Snape doesn't go into hiding or undercover after the scene at the Ministry - that's part of the sixth book, so that's probably when we'll see it

Actually, the reference to it is at the end of Goblet of Fire. In the hospital wing, after Snape showed Fudge the Dark Mark and Snape and Sirius reluctantly shook hands, Dumbledore said "'Severus . . . you know what I must ask you to do. If you are ready . . . if you are prepared.' 'I am,' said Snape," and with a "good luck" from Dumbledore, he left. Then at Spinner's End, Snape explained his failure to respond immediately to the Dark Mark by telling Narcissa and Bellatrix, "By waiting two hours, just two hours, I ensured that I could remain at Hogwarts as a spy . . . ."

So he is undercover all through both OoP and HBP, but no mention of it is ever made in OoP.

And polarpi is right -- Bellatrix killed Sirius in the book. Voldemort didn't appear until after Harry chased Balltrix up to the atrium.

ASUADPi · #2 07-15-2007, 11:10 PM

Gracias!

I actually just found my books (hey it only took my five minutes, I figured it would take days with the amount of boxes in my garage

)

I guess I have to read the ending of OoTP over again

I grabbed HBP, figured I'd read that again as well.

polarpi · #3 07-15-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Actually, the reference to it is at the end of Goblet of Fire. In the hospital wing, after Snape showed Fudge the Dark Mark and Snape and Sirius reluctantly shook hands, Dumbledore said "'Severus . . . you know what I must ask you to do. If you are ready . . . if you are prepared.' 'I am,' said Snape," and with a "good luck" from Dumbledore, he left. Then at Spinner's End, Snape explained his failure to respond immediately to the Dark Mark by telling Narcissa and Bellatrix, "By waiting two hours, just two hours, I ensured that I could remain at Hogwarts as a spy . . . ."

So he is undercover all through both OoP and HBP, but no mention of it is ever made in OoP.

Thanks, MC - I guess I wasn't thinking of "undercover" in that manner

AlethiaSi · #4 07-16-2007, 12:04 AM

Ok, the movie itself (without reading the books) was good...

However, because I am a HUGE HP fan, I was incredibly disappointed. They left out so much, switched facts around (it wasn't Cho who rats out the DA, it was her friend!) and overall, thought they could have done a hell of a lot better.

DaemonSeid · #5 07-16-2007, 09:52 AM

Things I was mad about....

1. Cho being the snitch

2. Very little done about Occlumency and Snape...along with that, Harry didn't have a chance to really confront Sirius about it like he did in the book

3. I could have swore that Petunia got a howler this time around...what happened?

4. Ron and Hermoine becoming prefects

5. and someone said it earlier....Sirius' detah just didn't go over quite like it did in the book...it was done so.....casually....in the movie. Was kinda looking fo rthe same kinda impact like......maybe Obi Wan dying or Gandalf's 'death' in FotR ...u know?

Sigh...can't wait for midnight on 7/21/07

Lady Pi Phi · #6 07-16-2007, 11:41 AM

I saw the movie on saturday and I loved it.

I have to admit at first I didn't really enjoy, because there were a lot of things omitted from the movie. But as I discussed it more with mum (someone who has never read any of the books), it dawned on me that these movies are not really written for the book reader. They are written for those who have never read the books.

The non-reder is only interested in the jist of the story, not the intricate plot points that are in the book. They want the "Coles Notes" version of things. I understand this better now. Yes it's disappointing not to see certain things on the big screen, but they only have so much time.

My only complaint, and like many of you, is the little changes in plot, (i.e. Neville finding the room of requirement, or Cho telling on the DA) in the movie, did upset me, because they were not necessary.

MysticCat · #7 07-16-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Pi Phi

My only complaint, and like many of you, is the little changes in plot, (i.e. Neville finding the room of requirement, or Cho telling on the DA) in the movie, did upset me, because they were not necessary.

But I think, from a story-telling standpoint in a movie, they probably are necessary.

Movies tell stories differently from books; if they had stuck to the book, the movie would have been at least 6+ hours long and boring because the style of story-telling is different.

Neville (or someone other than Dobby) had to find the Room of Requirement because otherwise, we would have had to go into the whole thing about how Dobby now lives at Hogwarts, something none of the movies has addressed so far. It's cleaner from a movie story-telling to let one of our established characters find the room, and here it coulf be used to develop Neville a little.

Likewise with Cho. As I said before, using Cho to tell on the DA prevents the need to introduce an additional character and provides a reason for Harry and Cho not to end up together without going into the additional Valentine's Day scenes and the like.

Lady Pi Phi · #8 07-16-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

But I think, from a story-telling standpoint in a movie, they probably are necessary....

Neville (or someone other than Dobby) had to find the Room of Requirement because otherwise, we would have had to go into the whole thing about how Dobby now lives at Hogwarts, something none of the movies has addressed so far. It's cleaner from a movie story-telling to let one of our established characters find the room, and here it coulf be used to develop Neville a little.

I think it would have been better for Harry to have found the room, becasue after all, it was Dobby who showed Harry the room. I don't think it was really necessary to have Neville find the room.

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Likewise with Cho. As I said before, using Cho to tell on the DA prevents the need to introduce an additional character and provides a reason for Harry and Cho not to end up together without going into the additional Valentine's Day scenes and the like.

I disagree. It could easily have been "Marietta" who ratted them out. In the scene with with Umbridge giving the students the Veritaserum, one of them could have been Marietta. They wouldn't have to give her lines or really identify who she was. The readers of the books would have figured it out, and those who didn't read the books, would have figured it was just another student.

ASUADPi · #9 07-16-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Things I was mad about....

3. I could have swore that Petunia got a howler this time around...what happened?

They cut it. She received a howler from DD when she kicked Harry out saying 'remember my last'. I loved that part of the book and was seriously bummed when they cut it. But then again they have been making the Dursley's parts smaller and smaller and smaller since movie one.