The Amero: New currency for the North American Union (US, Canada, & Mexico)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

The answer is:

(as seen on the back our our $1 bills)

Novus Ordo Seclorum, aka Novus Ordo Mundi, or NEW WORLD ORDER. Do a study on it and your questions will be answered. This is also what the Book of Revelations has been alluding to for the past 2000 years.

Hmmm unfortunately, there is no such book in the Bible. At least not mine. NIV? Now we have this one called "Revelation" thought to be written by the same evangelist commonly referred to as "John" but I'm fairly certain there's no mention of North America, the All Seeing Eye or the "New World Order"

In fact it's commonly thought by many theologians to metaphorically be referring to the tribulations of Christians under Nero. It's a whole style of writing very popular in the time, particularly when getting caught writing bad about the Emporer meant that you were stuck up on a pole and burned as a streetlight in your city.

ETA: Oh, and from my perspective (and the Catholic one) really all we're waiting for is Jesus to come back, and that's not exactly a bad thing. Seriously. Why would anyone be upset about the "end times" if the "end times" are a) the beginning of a millenium of peace and an opportunity for all believers to go to heaven?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

ETA: Oh, and from my perspective (and the Catholic one) really all we're waiting for is Jesus to come back, and that's not exactly a bad thing. Seriously. Why would anyone be upset about the "end times" if the "end times" are a) the beginning of a millenium of peace and an opportunity for all believers to go to heaven?

I for one am certainly not upset about the end times, but I am concerned that my fellow peers (read: Americans) appear to be totally oblivious to it, as there has been no real discussions en masse to prepare for it.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I for one am certainly not upset about the end times, but I am concerned that my fellow peers (read: Americans) appear to be totally oblivious to it, as there has been no real discussions en masse to prepare for it.

And you prepare for the return of Jesus and a millenium of peace, how? Praying? Sure. Stocking up canned food and a bunker? Not so much.

Not that I really agree with anything you're saying about this being the end times, people keep seeming to think that, ever since Jesus did his thing. (Heck some believe Jesus was an apocolyptic preacher)
If it is, then there's nothing you nor I can do about it. And if it isn't, you're getting all worked up for nothing.

ETReply to your comment: That assumes we think this great loss of civil rights is occuring. If I think my civil rights are being threatened I'll act. I think you're wrong and spewing conspiracy theory BS that's right up there with saying a plane didn't hit the Pentagon or that firefighters saying "pull it" means "blow the building up with our cleverly concealed incindiery devices" instead of "get the hell out of there before it collapses."

Also, aliens have nothing better to do than to chop cows up into little bits and steal the most ignorant members of society to shove things up their rectums.

[12dn94dst]

ok, so if your feeling is in general people will not sleep on this, what was your point in bringing this to our attention? Are you asking us to contact our Congresspeople ans speak out against such? Are you asking us to write letters to the President and presidential candidates? Are you wanting a sounding board for a major joint social action plan for all greek organizations? Do you want us to head this off at the pass? If so, how?

What really was your point for all the dramatics?

And no, it's not that I don't care what happens at the end of days, I know what will happen because of what I believe. And in the end (intended), that's all I need.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by 12dn94dst

ok, so if your feeling is in general people will not sleep on this, what was your point in bringing this to our attention? Are you asking us to contact our Congresspeople ans speak out against such? Are you asking us to write letters to the President and presidential candidates? Are you wanting a sounding board for a major joint social action plan for all greek organizations? Do you want us to head this off at the pass? If so, how?

What really was your point for all the dramatics?

For the same reason as 99% of all the other threads here on Greekchat:

TO ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE!!!

OMG, I can't believe what we as a people have degenerated into. We would sooner have multi-page threads on who will win American Idol or America's Next Top Model or who will be the 2007 step show champs of the world (or the fictional bogus Willie Lynch letter) rather than something that will have a direct and permanent impact on our very lives and the way we live it.

Our priorities are seriously twisted. *SMH*

[12dn94dst]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For the same reason as 99% of all the other threads here on Greekchat:

TO ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE!!!

i think that number is closer to 55%. The other 45% are completely pointless.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

OMG, I can't believe what we as a people have degenerated into. We would sooner have multi-page threads on who will win American Idol or America's Next Top Model or who will be the 2007 step show champs of the world (or the fictional bogus Willie Lynch letter) rather than something that will have a direct and permanent impact on our very lives and the way we live it.

Our priorities are seriously twisted. *SMH*

"we as a people"? wow, that a pretty lofty generalization from a thread that has replies from 7 people other than you and i in a nation where over 300 million people live.

anywho, i would think that since you seem to be so enthused by this cause that you would have replied to my questions with an emphatic "YES!!" on all fronts, and would provide at least suggestions on how we as a people can help. sometimes, RM, you have to really convince people that something is going to negatively impact their well being. sometimes, you have to make it plainer than day. it's quite possible that no one feels they're educated enough on the issue to effectively comment. or, they may not care. of the leaps that were made, single currency to losing civil rights to the Rapture, may be too much for folks. *shrug*

i see that you think this is a civil rights issue. i get that. but just because the Constitution ceases to exist doesn't necessarily mean that slavery or denying women the right to vote, for examples, are held as good ideas of something we should go back to. i venture to say that there's a minority of people who think these are good ideas. so it's quite possible that this may not be a bad thing. it may not be a good thing, either, but until folks are properly educated (if we're properly educated) we may never know.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by 12dn94dst

i think that number is closer to 55%. The other 45% are completely pointless.

True, but it's still to engage in dialogue, pointless dialogue, but dialogue nonetheless.

"we as a people"? wow, that a pretty lofty generalization from a thread that has replies from 7 people other than you and i in a nation where over 300 million people live.

I was speaking more on Greekchat in general, not as a nation as a whole, but just for grins and giggles, how much have you heard about this issue before I mentioned it today? Did any of your friends mention this? Relatives? Co-workers? How about through the media? Big Three networks? CNN? Fox News? NPR? BBC? Yes, it was a lofty generalization, but for few people to mention it--and word does get around, especially on the Internet at least hints my assertion has some degree of validity. I am hard pressed to believe that for an event as potentially phenominal as this in an age where information is literally at your fingertips, that more people aren't talking about it. They certainly talked about Paris Hilton getting a slap on the wrist en masse (ps: BUCK A PARIS HILTON!!) But I digress...

anywho, i would think that since you seem to be so enthused by this cause that you would have replied to my questions with an emphatic "YES!!" on all fronts, and would provide at least suggestions on how we as a people can help. sometimes, RM, you have to really convince people that something is going to negatively impact their well being. sometimes, you have to make it plainer than day. it's quite possible that no one feels they're educated enough on the issue to effectively comment. or, they may not care. of the leaps that were made, single currency to losing civil rights to the Rapture, may be too much for folks. *shrug*

Good paragraph, good points. Very good points. Hence perhaps that's why the signs are so subtle; if everything was to come together at once, the public reaction and backlash would be too great. Hence, the potential negative impact isn't going to be plainer than day. You have to pay attention and watch the signs. Too much presented too soon can make for a very volatile climate.

i see that you think this is a civil rights issue. i get that. but just because the Constitution ceases to exist doesn't necessarily mean that slavery or denying women the right to vote, for examples, are held as good ideas of something we should go back to. i venture to say that there's a minority of people who think these are good ideas. so it's quite possible that this may not be a bad thing. it may not be a good thing, either, but until folks are properly educated (if we're properly educated) we may never know.

I see what you're saying, but understand that I am not necessarily indicating that these things will happen (new slavery, denying women to vote, etc.). I am merely indicating that with the new government, there comes new legislation, which raises the possibility of such to occur. One thing I am almost certain of is that our basic Constitutional rights will be done away with, as it is slowly being undermined as we speak.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And you prepare for the return of Jesus and a millenium of peace, how? Praying? Sure. Stocking up canned food and a bunker? Not so much.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but there certainly isn't a mandate to stay ignorant and silent about it, which is what I think you're alluding to.

If it is, then there's nothing you nor I can do about it.

We can prepare through prayer and ministry to others.

And if it isn't, you're getting all worked up for nothing.

If people get saved as a result of this, even if it doesn't come to pass, it certainly was worth getting all worked up for nothing.

ETReply to your comment: That assumes we think this great loss of civil rights is occuring. If I think my civil rights are being threatened I'll act. I think you're wrong and spewing conspiracy theory BS...

The European Union/Euro, 9/11 and the Patriot Act certainly isn't "conspiracy theory BS". It's here, it's very real, and it's happening NOW.


P.S. It's also the tip of a very large iceberg.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but there certainly isn't a mandate to stay ignorant and silent about it, which is what I think you're alluding to.

We can prepare through prayer and ministry to others.

If people get saved as a result of this, even if it doesn't come to pass, it certainly was worth getting all worked up for nothing.

The European Union/Euro, 9/11 and the Patriot Act certainly isn't "conspiracy theory BS". It's here, it's very real, and it's happening NOW.

P.S. It's also the tip of a very large iceberg.

Except you haven't said a word about the Patriot Act (may it die in flames), there's not a damn thing wrong with either the EU or the Euro, and 9/11 is not in itself an infringement on your civil rights. Feel free to think that the government blew up thousands of civilians and organized a massive cover up somehow getting the agreement of the people who were supposedly on those planes and all that jazz, but I'm going to continue to not give them that much credit. You posted a bunch of Youtube videos, A-1 sources there, and predicted the end of the US consitution and the return of slavery. Riiiiiiiight. I'm going to be up front and say I gave you more credit than this. My bad.


Oh, and there's a difference between advocating "ignorance and silence" and thinking your out of your mind crazy. I'm going with the latter.
Besides, I'm not big on "saving" people. It's that darn Catholic thing again. Most of y'all* don't consider us "saved" in the first place.

*by "y'all" here I mean conservative Christians who insist on saving people, some of whom may include crazy conspiracy theorists.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

*majority of post edited for brevity and maintenance of sanity of those reading it*

...by "y'all" here I mean conservative Christians who insist on saving people, some of whom may include crazy conspiracy theorists.

By this being called a conspiracy theory, I cannot argue with you, but in essence you are absolutely correct.

This "Conspiracy" is transpiring between top U.S., Canadian and Mexican officials, the U.S. Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security and the Media who are keeping these plans out of the public spotlight!

The official websites for these events and organizations unapologetically admits it!

P.S. (lest anybody gets it twisted), the slavery bit I was being strictly arbitrary and hypothetical. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

By this being called a conspiracy theory, I cannot argue with you, but in essence you are absolutely correct.

This "Conspiracy" is transpiring between top U.S., Canadian and Mexican officials, the U.S. Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security and the Media who are keeping these plans out of the public spotlight!

The official websites for these events and organizations unapologetically admits it!

P.S. (lest anybody gets it twisted), the slavery bit I was being strictly arbitrary and hypothetical. Nothing more, nothing less.

Links to these official websites?

[BuckeyeTriDelta]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

ETA: Oh, and from my perspective (and the Catholic one) really all we're waiting for is Jesus to come back, and that's not exactly a bad thing. Seriously. Why would anyone be upset about the "end times" if the "end times" are a) the beginning of a millennium of peace and an opportunity for all believers to go to heaven?

Wonderfully said Drolefille. Could not have said it better myself.