Some Advice

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

So once again, here comes the rub!

NIC Greeks will expand if there is a need found.

NPC Greeks will not expand even if there is a need to expand to cover the existing Chapters instead.

Hold up here.

Puddintane's school's situation was one thing - all the chapters were at total. Not only that, it was 15 years ago when Greek life was booming.

The situation the OP has described - we can't assume it's the same. I looked for sites for the Nicholls State groups, but couldn't find anything. We don't know if they're all at total, or if ANY of them are at total. We don't know if the women who "want something different" have actually bothered to go through rush and see what's there to begin with.

Tom, you've said over and over again how sororities at your campus closed. Part of the reason was probably because they expanded when they shouldn't have.

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Thibodeaux State groups

That's Nicholls State in Thibodaux.

[33girl]

I just really wanted to use the word Thibodaux.

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by aopirose

That's Nicholls State in Thibodaux.

i like your sig about crazy heffas.





anywhoo, yeah. like i mentioned in the OP, the girls in question are not closely associated with me. i do know that only 2 of them have gone through rush. both were offered bids but neither decided to continue after "seeing what each group had to offer". as for the other girls, i know that they have not gone through rush and are basing their opinions on what they've seen on campus and from talking to actives. i don't know about numbers really; i'll have to ask how many women the 3 established sororities turn away, if any. all i know is that the women in question are not satisfied with what they have found and i don't fault them for it. there wouldn't be twenty-something different NPC orgs if everyone fit in the three that are already on our campus.

p.s. there are no local sororities here, and i'm part of the first chapter of a multicultural org in our area. in louisiana, actually. woowoo

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

there wouldn't be twenty-something different NPC orgs if everyone fit in the three that are already on our campus.

True, but if you had XYZ, DEF, and QPS instead of ABC, TU, and HHH (I just love making up GLOs), locally, it's not going to matter. Sure we all have different colors and flowers and philathropies...but it comes down to the girls on that particular campus. The reason, nationally, there are 26 NPCs, is that they represent a diverse avalibilty of resources and "business plans". Some of the smaller NPCs only expand once every few years, and then only to smaller Greek systems, where as the bigger NPCs expand to several campuses each year, and don't have much interest in taking on the little schools with small Greek systems. It takes all kinds, nationally. Locally, it doesn't make much difference which NPCs you have.

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

True, but if you had XYZ, DEF, and QPS instead of ABC, TU, and HHH (I just love making up GLOs), locally, it's not going to matter. Sure we all have different colors and flowers and philathropies...but it comes down to the girls on that particular campus. The reason, nationally, there are 26 NPCs, is that they represent a diverse avalibilty of resources and "business plans". Some of the smaller NPCs only expand once every few years, and then only to smaller Greek systems, where as the bigger NPCs expand to several campuses each year, and don't have much interest in taking on the little schools with small Greek systems. It takes all kinds, nationally. Locally, it doesn't make much difference which NPCs you have.

well, i guess it doesn't hurt to say which sororities i'm referring to...there's DZ, tri-Sigma, and Phi Mu on this campus. i've always regarded those to be larger organizations. i can't see it hurting to have another one, even a smaller one.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

well, i guess it doesn't hurt to say which sororities i'm referring to...there's DZ, tri-Sigma, and Phi Mu on this campus. i've always regarded those to be larger organizations. i can't see it hurting to have another one, even a smaller one.

I think what she was trying to say is that it doesn't matter if it's those three or KKG, AST and DG. The girls in the sororities would still be the same girls at that campus. If DZ, SSS & PM vanished tomorrow and 3 new sororities sprang up, most likely the girls who pledge the new groups would have been the same ones to pledge the old groups.

Like I said, it all depends on where they are as far as total is concerned. If the system isn't booming, many NPCs would be reluctant to colonize there. No group wants to come in and immediately assume the bottom position on campus.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Hold up here.


Tom, you've said over and over again how sororities at your campus closed. Part of the reason was probably because they expanded when they shouldn't have.

Edited to just add this part.

No, not quit.

ADPi was there and were the so called fat girls, sound familiar?

The LXA Chapter helped a local start and they were offered affiliation with Phi Mu, and they refused, ergo, they then closed.

KD came on campus and seemed to have a great shot as had @ 40-50 members. Do not know why they closed and have not been able to find out why?


So, with ASA in a old but nice house on main drag (across from the LXA hous), SSS in an old house and hard to find, and AGD who is on the main drag but way south and wanting to build a new house, there is a need for at least one new Sorority that has backing and a good name for chapters in the area. School is @ 6,700 and growing.

So with now 6 to be soon 7 Fraternities and only 3 Sororities, what is wrong with me wanting expansion as it seems to be a thing today.

New School Adviser is a SAM (Sammie) and a firm beleiver in Greeks and wanting expansion!

So, why keep women out of the experience if they do not care for the current GLOs?

You must have a 1/2 empty glass.

Chapters will make it as long as they are spoon fed and protected and do not have to work to build!

[33girl]

Well obviously, the local closed because they didn't want to affiliate.

I'm guessing the other two closed because they didn't have enough members and couldn't compete with the other groups. As I said, no one wants to be on the bottom of the pile from the moment they begin.

The three sororities at your campus are all VERY old and it's going to be VERY hard for a new group to come on and compete with that sort of history. For what it's worth, I personally think a school with that many people should have more than 3 sororities too - but I'm in a different part of the country. What works in PA doesn't work in KS & vice versa.

Right now, are there so many women going through rush that the current sororities are all over total? Has this been going on for a while? Are the current sororities complaining about being too large? Once all that happens, expansion will be welcome. But probably not before.

Fraternities and sororities approach operations and expansion differently. PERIOD.

[FSUZeta]

yes tom, how many members does each sorority have?

how many girls participate in formal recruitment? of those, how many receive bids, how many drop out and how many go thru prefs. but do not receive bids?

if we had this information, we might be able to shed some light on the non-expansion situation.