grade question

[adpiucf]

Bottom line: if your GPA is lower than the min required by the collegiate chapter (a number that is usually a bit higher than their national org's required min), you likely don't have a chance. There are plenty of other women with the grades. Yes, they can take grade risks (women who meet the national min, but not the local min), but they usually won't-- they don't have to.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Bottom line: if your GPA is lower than the min required by the collegiate chapter (a number that is usually a bit higher than their national org's required min), you likely don't have a chance. There are plenty of other women with the grades. Yes, they can take grade risks (women who meet the national min, but not the local min), but they usually won't-- they don't have to.

Sounds harsh but is true.

Where you stand relative to the other PNMs might matter more than narrowing being over the minimum unless there is something that somehow offsets your grades, like being a Bush twin (and by using that as my hypothetical, I'm not suggesting that either Bush twin failed to be an excellent student who was a well qualified recruitment guest in her own right. I just mean, unfortunately being an editor for the high school paper, might not be enough, although I certainly hope in this case that it is.)

[bette007]

I contacted the Greek Life office at UNT. They said on a 100 scale they would require an 85 average. But went on to say don't let the grade thing scare you off and still thinks my daughter should go through recruitment with her average, and that they look at others things besides grades such as personality, extracurriculars and leadership positions and understand that sometimes students have a tough time in high school. And also, they had a 95% recruitment last year.

I am not sure if this is the norm or not but just thought I would pass on the information I received.

[adpiucf]

I'm not saying she won't be considered by the chapters, but she will receive some automatic cuts in the early rounds due to her grades.

UNT has an excellent Greek System; it is not as cut-throat and competitive as some of the other TX schools, but grades are still a priority.

Best of luck to your daughter.

[SWTXBelle]

She can certainly go through recruitment - and if she is cut early, drop out and work on her grades before she goes through again. Good luck - hope it all works out for your daughter.

[aukappa24]

Before you decide to just "drop out" if you are not exicted about your options still left during the week, check and see what the rules are about you going through spring rush, snap bidding, etc. This could help your decision. Also, going through recruitment as a soph. in an sec school is BRUTAL!!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

She can certainly go through recruitment - and if she is cut early, drop out and work on her grades before she goes through again. Good luck - hope it all works out for your daughter.

This is a good point. If it's a more casual recruitment environment, she can try it; see how it goes, and decide later.

(At some schools, re-rushing in formal isn't as easy as it might seem, but so much just depends on the campus.)

[bette007]

Thanks so much for all of the replies and well wishes for my daughter. I am new to the sorority thing so any info I can get is extremely helpful. I think she will still go through with recruitment but we don't have any high hopes or expectations. In fact, my daughter wanted to take the first year and concentrate on her grades before "rushing" and try it her second year but now wants to join her friends during recruitment. Of course, the college education and making good grades is the top priority but belonging to a sorority (is a close second) where you can make lifelong friendships and where scholarship/grades/service are a top priority would only be beneficial for my daughter and I think help see her through her college years.

I really don't know if this matters in the scheme of things but in addition to being editor in chief her senior year she was also President of her HS audition only theatre production company and was a member all three years of high school. She has also been involved with every play production during high school and has won several UIL awards for acting. She has also been an "extra" for the fox show "Prison Break" and for a series on the Lifetime Network and was also voted Most Talented by her senior class. She also volunteers alot of time at our local church working in the childrens ministry. Again, I don't know if all this matters but hope it might make a small difference.

Thanks again for all the support. I will keep you updated on what happens. Recruitment week is August 21st.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by bette007

Thanks so much for all of the replies and well wishes for my daughter. I am new to the sorority thing so any info I can get is extremely helpful. I think she will still go through with recruitment but we don't have any high hopes or expectations. In fact, my daughter wanted to take the first year and concentrate on her grades before "rushing" and try it her second year but now wants to join her friends during recruitment. Of course, the college education and making good grades is the top priority but belonging to a sorority (is a close second) where you can make lifelong friendships and where scholarship/grades/service are a top priority would only be beneficial for my daughter and I think help see her through her college years.

I really don't know if this matters in the scheme of things but in addition to being editor in chief her senior year she was also President of her HS audition only theatre production company and was a member all three years of high school. She has also been involved with every play production during high school and has won several UIL awards for acting. She has also been an "extra" for the fox show "Prison Break" and for a series on the Lifetime Network and was also voted Most Talented by her senior class. She also volunteers alot of time at our local church working in the childrens ministry. Again, I don't know if all this matters but hope it might make a small difference.

Thanks again for all the support. I will keep you updated on what happens. Recruitment week is August 21st.

All those things could matter if people in the group appreciate their significance. Will there be people in the groups who know her already?

ETA: I went back to your first post and it sounds like she has good friends in at least one of the groups. If she is above their minimum grade requirement, she may be in good shape. I hope it goes well.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by bette007

I contacted the Greek Life office at UNT. They said on a 100 scale they would require an 85 average. But went on to say don't let the grade thing scare you off and still thinks my daughter should go through recruitment with her average, and that they look at others things besides grades such as personality, extracurriculars and leadership positions and understand that sometimes students have a tough time in high school. And also, they had a 95% recruitment last year.

I am not sure if this is the norm or not but just thought I would pass on the information I received.

I hope I didn't seem too pessimistic previously or that I diminished the accomplishment of being a newspaper editor.

Can you actually ask them what the placement rate was for girls with your daughter's average? Do they track that level of information?

I'm just a little nervous because I've never heard of a greek life office ever discouraging a person from going through recruitment, so I don't know how much you can rely on their encouragement as a truly good sign.

(For example, they always don't tell people directly that not being a freshman can hurt you, but at some schools where they omit this info. it does.)