Petition ABC Family to Cancel "Greek"

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Any elected official worth paying attention to has many, many better things to expend political capital on. They wouldn't waste time on a silly ABC Family series.

And in case you didn't know, TV show ratings and CD ratings are not censorship. Censorship means that the government or someone else with authority (such as a religious leader) is actually suppressing content deemed by the goverment (or religious body) to be objectionable for whatever reason, thus preventing people subject to their authority from seeing the "offending" material or imposing penalties for defying the censor's decision. That's not the case with TV show or CD ratings.

Recording companies themselves decide whether to put Tipper Stickers on CDs and what warning to give, and the sticker doesn't keep anybody from buying the CD. Similarly, networks themselves decide what TV Parental Guidelines to put on their shows, and those guidelines don't keep anyone from watching the shows. The only possible censorship involved with TV or CD ratings is parental censorship.

With nudity on broadcast TV, you might have a point. But the reality is that nudity broadcast on airwaves that are legally considered to be publically owned does not receive the same First Amendment protection as, say, a lame show on ABC Family (which is cable, not broadcast) purporting to be about Greek life.

Oh snizap...........somebody got wrecked.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh snizap...........somebody got wrecked.

Not exactly. Good job on contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Not exactly. Good job on contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation.

If actually contributing something useful to the topic at hand was a requirement to post, most people would have about 50 posts, if that.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

If actually contributing something useful to the topic at hand was a requirement to post, most people would have about 50 posts, if that.

What has someone contributed that is useful--? Nothing. Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

How do you figure it's an intellectual converstation, when you don't understand the actual defintion of censorship?

Dubbing "ass" in a movie to say "butt" on broadcast TV is censorship...giving it a PG rating is not.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

How do you figure it's an intellectual converstation, when you don't understand the actual defintion of censorship?

Dubbing "ass" in a movie to say "butt" on broadcast TV is censorship...giving it a PG rating is not.

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

So stop censoring people on this message board. According to your definition that's what you're doing.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.




Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's. I'm pretty sure Wal Mart cannot delete artists material and then sell them how they see fit. Artists have to make edited versions of their cd's........then they can have Wal Mart distribute them.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Walmart does not delete various parts of CDs. Walmart SELLS censored copies of CDs, as well as the uncensored versions. But Walmart doesn't make the decsion of what stays and what goes in the censored version (it's copyrighted material, they can't just go changing it), that's up to the producer. It's up to the individual which copy to buy.

ETA:

Originally Posted by macallan25

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's.

I do believe they carry the "offensive" CD's in both orginal and censored versions.
Either way, if a store chooses not to carry a certain product for whatever reason, that still doesn't qualify as censorship. The have the right to carry whatever products they want. You can still go to the nearest Sam Goody and pick it up.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.

If you think that ratings = censorship, apparently you don't understand exactly what censorship is.

Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Assuming that this definition is correct, which I wouldn't (it's the last definition given at dictionary.com, and unlike with the other, more specific definitions, the source isn't even an actual, widely-relied on dictionary), what does it have to do with TV, movie or CD ratings? It was ratings, not deletions from performances, that you said were censorship.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

Take a look at the primary definition of "censor" at your source, dictionary.com:

an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds.

Likewise, the definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary are:

A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
An official, as in the armed forces, who examines personal mail and official dispatches to remove information considered secret or a risk to security.

Last time I checked, neither Walmart nor a movie theater are "officials," nor are the "authorized" by anyone to do anything. (And others are right -- Wal-Mart can't edit copyrighted CDs or DVDs. They can and do sell "cleaned-up" versions produced by the companies who make the CDs or DVDs.)

Even by the secondary definition you posted, in what way does Wal-Mart, a movie theater or a store have any power to "supervise" your manners or morality? They don't.

As a verb, it means:

to examine and act upon as a censor.
to delete (a word or passage of text) in one's capacity as a censor

Sorry, but ratings are not censorship. Calling them censorship doesn't change the fact that they're not.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

What has someone contributed that is useful--? Nothing. Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

Well slap me sideways......I guess that someone would be me?

I just felt like most of the "intellectual" conversation was WAY over my little unenlightened head....what with all of the useful information about how Puritans created censorship and how stickers on CD cases are a form of censorship.

I guess I needs to go hit the books yo.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Well slap me sideways......I guess that someone would be me?

I just felt like most of the "intellectual" conversation was WAY over my little unenlightened head....what with all of the useful information about how Puritans created censorship and how stickers on CD cases are a form of censorship.

I guess I needs to go hit the books yo.

hahhaa... someone wasn't you, by the way.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

What has someone contributed that is useful--? Nothing. Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

Um when you got PWND by MysticCat, you have little room for complaining.

I'm not contributing to the conversation now, and I don't mind at all, because I think this thread was silly from the start seeing how we have half a dozen on the stupid show.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Um when you got PWND by MysticCat, you have little room for complaining.

I'm not contributing to the conversation now, and I don't mind at all, because I think this thread was silly from the start seeing how we have half a dozen on the stupid show.

The stupid show is one of my favorites.

[macallan25]

So far in my quest for intellectual achievement in a Greek Life Thread........I have learned that:

A.) Puritans created censorship and are the reason why Americans censor material today.
B.) Wal Mart can freely edit copyrighted material as they see fit. Wal Mart = God?
C.) What the definition of "censor" and "censorship" are according to teh internets dictionary.

...Well....I'm ready for MENSA........