D9 stereotyping..

[Senusret I]

Depending on where you are, old school Alphas are "supposed" to be fair skinned.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by bluethunder

HOWEVER, i think we have to acknowledge that stereotypes do come from somewhere...whether or not they hold true is another issue. keep it real, y'all. look at some of these photogalleries--and i mean this for ALL of us orgs.--and you'll see some stereotypes "appear".

And sometimes it slips into the selection process. We want folx who look like...

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

As for being small, we may be smaller than the other 3 but we're definately not small by any means.

And this should be the standard response to that comment. Kudos!

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Depending on where you are, old school Alphas are "supposed" to be fair skinned.

I never heard the light skinned stereotype, but to be honest I always heard the Gay stereotype, even back when I was in college. But considering how many Alphas I knew who weren't Gay it always confused me.

[Wolfman]

The issue of stereotyping among BGLOs is a positive and negative phenomenon.It can lend to a sense of group cohesion. It also appears to be grounded in reality,to an extent. A few years back an elderly brother (who's now deceased) in the grad chapter I was in used to enjoy telling stories about his experience in the Fraternity. He related that,when he pledged in the Midwest,the Alphas were shameless elitist,the Nupes were "all alcoholics" and the Ques were known as the "Do gooders" since they involved themselves in much community service work, which drew him to Omega. I didn't think much of that Kappa stereotype until I read the book "Black Haze" by Dr. Ricky Jones, a Kappa, who confirmed that before the "Pretty Boy"/"Playboy" image and stereotype took over in KAPsi in the '60s and '70s, Kappas were known as heavy social drinkers.

These things are somewhat fluid. Of late the "gay" stereotype has been gaining traction in KAPsi. In the summer of '80 after I crossed, a neighborhood friend who pledged APhiA Spr. '80 at Hampton had a discusion with me about the "gay" issue in his fraternity and how he would deal with a brother who was gay/effeminate.

To a certain degree, a self-selection process in accordance with some of these stereotypes keeps these things in place, even though there is diversity in all our groups. It's somewhat like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A funny anecdote. When I was a teaching fellow in graduate school in biblical languages, I had a 1.5 generation Korean American couple in one of my classes.The wife's best friend was an AKA, so she knew about these BGLO stereotypes. She was very surprised to find out that her nerdy teacher was a "bulldog," the term she used in class when she found out I was a Que. Later, the husband told me of a conversation he and his wife had at home. He told me in private that she said that even though I was a Que, I acted like an Alpha.I got a good laugh out of that.

[AKA_Monet]

It is my understanding that children make trivial comparisons or stereotypes for learning discriminating behavior (discrimination means differentiating). It is a process of learning to identify the difference between right and wrong--or rather living vs. death--a matter of evolutionary survival.

What is interesting to me is that the pair group model that finds the psychologically "safest" group with the minimal amount of stress is the something that teens and young adults still use when some of them have poor self-esteem issues.

An "all or nothing"--i.e. why join, etc...-- is antisocial behavior. Avoidance of social situations has some suggestion of psychopathology. People must be socially acculturated to something. If not a GLO, then something else, like career, spelunking, drugs, whatever...

Personally, IMHO, doing community service thru my Sorority keeps me active. There is something that always needs to be done in my community.

When some people have those insenstive remarks about my visual appearance and my Sororal affiliations, I write it off. I have a medium tone with long hair, but I would not pass a paper bag test. Even my family pedigree does not protect me. However, I still became a member of my Sorority because I like maintaining my legacy heritage and keeping with family traditions. Those are my reasons.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

An "all or nothing"--i.e. why join, etc...-- is antisocial behavior. Avoidance of social situations has some suggestion of psychopathology. People must be socially acculturated to something. If not a GLO, then something else, like career, spelunking, drugs, whatever...

Personally, IMHO, doing community service thru my Sorority keeps me active. There is something that always needs to be done in my community.

When some people have those insenstive remarks about my visual appearance and my Sororal affiliations, I write it off. I have a medium tone with long hair, but I would not pass a paper bag test. Even my family pedigree does not protect me. However, I still became a member of my Sorority because I like maintaining my legacy heritage and keeping with family traditions. Those are my reasons.

Soror, I agree. I about the same description except I am a lighter brown complexion and it really ticks me off that some people have the nerve to point out anything about a paper bag test. I was in Wal-Mart, I had my jacket on (mind you at the time I had only been a member for about two months) and this lady walked up to me and said 'You would be an AKA....I guess you passed the test' and she had THE MOST SMUG look on her face. I just stood there in disbelief and she walked off. I told my mom and she was as was I.

I don't have a family tradition in AKA, but I hope to start one (waaaay on down the road).

[IncontRHOllable]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

And sometimes it slips into the selection process. We want folx who look like...

So true, so true, that is why I am of the opinion that we help to perpetuate the stereotypes.

[IncontRHOllable]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I never heard the light skinned stereotype, but to be honest I always heard the Gay stereotype, even back when I was in college. But considering how many Alphas I knew who weren't Gay it always confused me.

Gay stereotype about Alphas? Now I have heard that about Kappas.

[IncontRHOllable]

That link only shows what is true and that is that we all come in all shapes, colors and sizes and that we are all beautiful. The stereotypes are simple figments of the imagination of those on the outside of the D9, although unfortunately some D9 members do feed them, and for what? It certainly does not help the image of the org. And as far the reject thing, I can say that I don't know of any members of the D9 who joined their org because they were rejected by another. I believe this reject concept was something that someone conjured up in order to make their org feel superior to the rest. Its a ridiculous concept that needs to be erased.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I've only known women who aspired to become Deltas but end up AKAs (often because the particular Delta chapters were picky whereas the particular AKA chapters admittedly and gleefully took any and everybody--even people who they knew were joining because they couldn't get into Delta). But, again, that's just what I'M familiar with at the various chapters in every region I've been to. Experiences vary.

Well, you know we just LOVE to welcome you all back with open arms...

You have to admit, you did walk into that one...

Just kidding!!!!

Anyhow, here's an interesting article

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Well, you know we just LOVE to welcome you all back with open arms...

You have to admit, you did walk into that one...

Just kidding!!!!

Oh...the reject thing is in reference to your president walking out and Founding Delta Sigma Theta? Now it makes more sense, however outdated it is.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Anyhow, here's an interesting article

Wow...a NEW article on the relevance of BGLOs. I'll be back later with commentary.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Well, you know we just LOVE to welcome you all back with open arms...

You have to admit, you did walk into that one...

Just kidding!!!!

Anyhow, here's an interesting article

Articles like this have some valid points but I'm getting a little tired of the ones that offer no solutions. And it's about the bigger picture anyway. The bigger picture is that undergrad NPHC members today are just products of their environment and communities, so that's what we have to fix, ourselves as a whole. Doing away with NPHC orgs is not going to fix our communities and the problems we're facing as a culture. Another thing that annoys me when I read these type of articles is that they just ignore the countless amount of work that's being done at the graduate level. It's true that undergrad membership is plentiful but so is graduate membership these days. These days alumni chapters are getting bigger and bigger and everyone knows that with maturity comes more focus and dedication to what you're trying to achieve. When the problems in the Black community cease to exist, then we can talk about our relevance but until then, we are just as relevant today as we were yesterday.

[DSTCHAOS]

<----still trying to get a chance to read the article AKAMonet posted. Darnit.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nonchalant

BTW, I know someone who tried to pledge AKA, and she was not accepted due to her attitude. She is now a proud member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.

You tell her that I said "hello, unicorn...you DO exist."

Originally Posted by nonchalant

AKA_Monet, I saw that one coming myself. You are hilarious.

The joke is more on the org that is willing to take the defectors back.

(Or do I simply not understand AKAMonet's joke? )