members who don't pull their weight cleaning

[Kevin]

This is something for your house corporation to look at -- or at least report it to them because their power here is a little more complete

What I'd suggest is that y'all hire a cleaning service and increase rent to pay for it.. problem solved.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What I'd suggest is that y'all hire a cleaning service and increase rent to pay for it.. problem solved.

Not all towns have cleaning services, and some that do, have extremely sketchy ones. Even the big ones (Merry Maids and The Maids) around here have really spotty reputations - the consensus seems to be that the company name means zilch, it depends on whether or not the person you get is a good worker. I would seriously worry about theft with something like that.

Besides, I can't think of a worse lesson for 20 year old guys than "pay a little more $$ and you can continue being hogs while someone cleans up after you."

Definitely have rotating jobs for the common areas - and lock up the washable dishes and put disposable plates, cups and silverware in the kitchen. (Yes I know the environmental issues, but until they get things together, it's better than someone going psycho and throwing out perfectly good dishes that need washed, as we had a member who tried to do that.)

[Tom Earp]

Have a few parents come by the house and see what it looks like!

Rental property is not covered by a House Corp. unless it is rented through them and then it is their problem to raise cain with the members.

If it is a rental property that is rented to the members and they have their Letters on it, the Land lord has the right to inspect, it is their right to protect their property value.

It is then up to the Officership to keep the house clean and safe for the members there!

If the members living there, then an agreement needs to be made with the landlord to be able to either have them removed from the house and rented to another member.

It would be a shame if they were evicted all together and not have a house for them to meet at and in.

They better get on the stick as the land lord is not at fautl, they are and has a right to be upset!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Not all towns have cleaning services, and some that do, have extremely sketchy ones. Even the big ones (Merry Maids and The Maids) around here have really spotty reputations - the consensus seems to be that the company name means zilch, it depends on whether or not the person you get is a good worker. I would seriously worry about theft with something like that.

We're spoiled like that -- Edmond, OK is a pretty affluent town. There are a ton of cleaning services around -- although you're right, many are shady. Your best bet is to find a service through referrals only.

We once looked at a cleaning service, but instead, we went to a chore list. There'd be a rotating list of chores with a rotating list of names. Some guys volunteered to always do certain chores (like yard work).

I'm pretty sure that when we get our house built and everything, a cleaning service will be used for the common areas of the house. Whether your chapter house is clean or dirty is something which can have incalculable impact on your campus standing, not to mention the fact that keeping the place clean is a pretty cost-effective way of delaying expensive maintenance.

Besides, I can't think of a worse lesson for 20 year old guys than "pay a little more $$ and you can continue being hogs while someone cleans up after you."

I believe our old house rules, I'm not sure how they are anymore since my involvement with our house corp. is minimal, stated that at any time a resident's door was left open, if his room was not clean and orderly, he'd be subject to a fine. I think that's a fair way of doing things -- if someone has their door closed, they're not affecting your chapter's reputation one way or the other. If that door is open? That room becomes an essentially public place.

Definitely have rotating jobs for the common areas - and lock up the washable dishes and put disposable plates, cups and silverware in the kitchen. (Yes I know the environmental issues, but until they get things together, it's better than someone going psycho and throwing out perfectly good dishes that need washed, as we had a member who tried to do that.)

Concur. It's also workable to have a rule that nothing gets "left" in the kitchen -- no dishes allowed in sinks, no "soaking" of dishes, etc. Also, if one needs to get anything out of the dishwasher and it has clean dishes in it, unload the whole damned thing. If it's full, run it, etc.

Just a little common courtesy can go a long way.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's also workable to have a rule that nothing gets "left" in the kitchen -- no dishes allowed in sinks, no "soaking" of dishes, etc. Also, if one needs to get anything out of the dishwasher and it has clean dishes in it, unload the whole damned thing. If it's full, run it, etc.

If they're already having a problem, I wouldn't suggest this method. You will always get guys who think "no one is looking, so no one will notice if I leave this bowl in the sink or just take one dish from the dishwasher". You will also have varying opinions of what constitues the dishwasher as "full". Actually, I take that back - it will be considered full when there's absolutely not one space left to stick a dish in.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

If they're already having a problem, I wouldn't suggest this method. You will always get guys who think "no one is looking, so no one will notice if I leave this bowl in the sink or just take one dish from the dishwasher". You will also have varying opinions of what constitues the dishwasher as "full". Actually, I take that back - it will be considered full when there's absolutely not one space left to stick a dish in.

That's how it works in my house

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Kevin

That's how it works in my house

So who gets to scratch the dishes "clean" when they come out?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

So who gets to scratch the dishes "clean" when they come out?

The wife and I are aware of the concept of pre-rinsing.