Hazing dilemma...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Trust me Kevin, if it was this easy, it would be done quite often at schools like mine.

Yeah, just look at the wildly successful "Nu Society" of Vanderbilt.

[tallgreekalum]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yeah, just look at the wildly successful "Nu Society" of Vanderbilt.

I've had significant contact with them and they seem to be doing fairly well.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I've had significant contact with them and they seem to be doing fairly well.

The "Nu Society" might be doing well. But not well enough to keep Sigma Nu from coming back. I mean this with all due respect to the society, but Sigma Nu is, and will be, bigger (on so many levels) at Vanderbilt than the society can ever hope to be. Their history, their tradition, their alumni etc.

As such, the "Nu Society" is a good example of why I don't feel many SEC (and or other Southern) chapters will withdraw from their fraternity. Especially when they are viewed as being a prominent fraternity on campus.

Frankly, the powerful, wealthy, and influential alumni are still Sigma Nus. Vandy Sigma Nus. The alumni have a long history and are respected for being Nus on the Vandy campus. As such, I would guess many of them have had a part in bringing their chapter back to Vanderbilt. So for example, when Homecoming comes around, Sigma Nu alumni will go to the Sigma Nu house to hang out and party. When a Vandy Sigma Nu alumnus is asked to open his check book to help *his chapter*, the name is going to be the Vandy Sigma Nu chapter and not some society that he doesn't have any ties with at all.

And the actives and alumni of other SEC and Southern chapters (of any fraternity) know and understand this as well. If not, we would have seen a heck of a lot of SEC and/or Southern chapters leaving years back. Not just a random few.

Another reason I don't see a concern on SEC campuses would be with the actives. Again as an example, I'd love to see some "Nu Society" guys go to the Sigma Nu house at Ole Miss, at Kentucky or at Bama and say "Hey, we are here for the football game tomorrow. We *use to be* Sigma Nu, but we aren't anymore. Can y'all put us up for the night?" My point is that when a chapter removes itself from the general fraternity, they no longer receive the benefits. Like being a part of a brotherhood that extends beyond the campus, and throughout the rest of the South and into the rest of the county. And the instant respect that can go with that.

And for what it is worth, the same may be said with the "Phi Society" and Phi Delta Theta at Virginia.

[banditone]

Well said. I did read something after they recolonized where the Vandy Sigma Nu chapter would NOT be rushing any of those Nu Society members back. They said they would be treated much like any other Fraternity on the campus. Seperate.

[Tom Earp]

No matter what GLO some are going to go aganist IHQ Rules and when the do, they should be chastised!

Oh, my Chapter has a lot of Monied Alumni! They will not be closed!

Wrong! If they act like dill wads, they make not only their own GLO look bad, they make all look bad by association!

None of us want to beleive it can happen, but it does!

I am the Oldest Alimni of my Chapter, but, there are more who are more stearner than I am! They are some of the Younger Brothers!

Make your Chapter look like fools and all of us, who does that help?

[ladygreek]

wow,
I have to agree with the Earpism on this one.

[KyleMcGuire1983]

Originally Posted by banditone

Well said. I did read something after they recolonized where the Vandy Sigma Nu chapter would NOT be rushing any of those Nu Society members back. They said they would be treated much like any other Fraternity on the campus. Seperate.

I initially felt sympathy for the Nu Society until I talked to their "Commander" and he basically crapped all over Sigma Nu and said he had no intention of disbanding and rushing Sigma Nu ever...

ouch.

[tallgreekalum]

Originally Posted by TSteven

The "Nu Society" might be doing well. But not well enough to keep Sigma Nu from coming back. I mean this with all due respect to the society, but Sigma Nu is, and will be, bigger (on so many levels) at Vanderbilt than the society can ever hope to be. Their history, their tradition, their alumni etc.

As such, the "Nu Society" is a good example of why I don't feel many SEC (and or other Southern) chapters will withdraw from their fraternity. Especially when they are viewed as being a prominent fraternity on campus.

Frankly, the powerful, wealthy, and influential alumni are still Sigma Nus. Vandy Sigma Nus. The alumni have a long history and are respected for being Nus on the Vandy campus. As such, I would guess many of them have had a part in bringing their chapter back to Vanderbilt. So for example, when Homecoming comes around, Sigma Nu alumni will go to the Sigma Nu house to hang out and party. When a Vandy Sigma Nu alumnus is asked to open his check book to help *his chapter*, the name is going to be the Vandy Sigma Nu chapter and not some society that he doesn't have any ties with at all.

And the actives and alumni of other SEC and Southern chapters (of any fraternity) know and understand this as well. If not, we would have seen a heck of a lot of SEC and/or Southern chapters leaving years back. Not just a random few.

Another reason I don't see a concern on SEC campuses would be with the actives. Again as an example, I'd love to see some "Nu Society" guys go to the Sigma Nu house at Ole Miss, at Kentucky or at Bama and say "Hey, we are here for the football game tomorrow. We *use to be* Sigma Nu, but we aren't anymore. Can y'all put us up for the night?" My point is that when a chapter removes itself from the general fraternity, they no longer receive the benefits. Like being a part of a brotherhood that extends beyond the campus, and throughout the rest of the South and into the rest of the county. And the instant respect that can go with that.

And for what it is worth, the same may be said with the "Phi Society" and Phi Delta Theta at Virginia.

I'm actually more familar with UVa and the break there had significant, maybe majority, alumni support. The situation is cloudier at Vandy, but the Nu is keeping a lot of alumni with them. AD had a similar thing happen when we had the coed split. We have some alumni who support both, and some who only support one or the other.

[ChildoftheHorn]

I think this is pretty funny because at a lot of the houses here....they still drink even if they are dry!

Basically, they just drink on certain occasions or when they have guests (parties). The whole things is that some places care about the enforcement of the rules while others do not. Big parties will probably aways remain dry, but the floor parties will not. Sorry to dissappoint guys.

The thing is that they need to be responsible. There are sororities that break the rules about it too, but they have more of a partying house and are not as many.

In the end, people just need to be responsible.