Woman dies in hospital while being arrested

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

yes, aka_monet, lets educate people on what qualifies as an emergency.

It is not about what qualifies as an emergency, because people wait too long before something can be done to have full resolution.

It is about knowing your body and if something is "out of whack" that makes the decision to go to an emergency room or not.

That's only for adults.

For children, I would probably go every time if my child broke a 100 F temperature. But, I would also how my kid operates when they have problems. I would see how they "pay attention" to things, I would see how they eat and drink. I would make every observation I can to ensure the best health for my child. Some people think it is cool to smoke around children... Then wonder why children get sick. Some people think it is cool to not feed their children or to feel them inappropriate stuff. Then wonder why the children are starving, unruly or morbidly obese at 7 years old.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

It is not about what qualifies as an emergency, because people wait too long before something can be done to have full resolution.

It is about knowing your body and if something is "out of whack" that makes the decision to go to an emergency room or not.

That's only for adults.

For children, I would probably go every time if my child broke a 100 F temperature. But, I would also how my kid operates when they have problems. I would see how they "pay attention" to things, I would see how they eat and drink. I would make every observation I can to ensure the best health for my child. Some people think it is cool to smoke around children... Then wonder why children get sick. Some people think it is cool to not feed their children or to feel them inappropriate stuff. Then wonder why the children are starving, unruly or morbidly obese at 7 years old.

And I'm guessing that you might take your kid to his or her regular doctor during the day when you realized that he or she was sick rather than waiting until the fever was that high.

This is one of those areas of reform that we do need to address. The whole it'd be cheaper and better for health if people saw doctors before it was an emergency situation, but you're only entitled to care you can't pay for if it's an emergency.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Thank you only if They do?

They do not!

Try it some time and say oh, I do not have insurance!

Only if they do what? I duno what the fuck you are saying.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

When I fainted at my job in Dallas, they gave me a CT scan. That's because I worked for UT Southwestern and my professor was Assistant Chief of Cardiology. So yes, one can get these things within minutes but it is all about who you know and who you are to get them.

But a 1.8 Tesla Magnet take time to heat up...

I don't know too much of the medical lingo. What's a 1.8 Tesla Magnet?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't know too much of the medical lingo. What's a 1.8 Tesla Magnet?

How much power a magnet can pull and how far through the tissue one can detect.

GE, Phillips and Siemens make MRI in full detail.

[SOPi_Jawbreaker]

This is slightly off on a tangent. Awhile back I had read an article on msn.com (can't find it now ). It was about the differences in men's and women's health and specific things women should be aware of and vigilant about. One of the things they mentioned in the article is that there is still sometimes an old-fashioned tendency to take men's pain more seriously and to dismiss women's pain as "oh she's just being hysterical/whiny/over-dramatic/exagerating/difficult/etc". When I read the first couple sentences of the article about the woman who died, I thought about the msn.com article. Perhaps, the staff thought "oh she's not really in that much pain, she's just complaining for attention or to be difficult". Not saying that the staff ignoring her was right, but this could be a possible explanation for how they could have let her yell for help for 90 minutes without doing anything.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by SOPi_Jawbreaker

This is slightly off on a tangent. Awhile back I had read an article on msn.com (can't find it now ). It was about the differences in men's and women's health and specific things women should be aware of and vigilant about. One of the things they mentioned in the article is that there is still sometimes an old-fashioned tendency to take men's pain more seriously and to dismiss women's pain as "oh she's just being hysterical/whiny/over-dramatic/exagerating/difficult/etc". When I read the first couple sentences of the article about the woman who died, I thought about the msn.com article. Perhaps, the staff thought "oh she's not really in that much pain, she's just complaining for attention or to be difficult". Not saying that the staff ignoring her was right, but this could be a possible explanation for how they could have let her yell for help for 90 minutes without doing anything.

You are right. The measurement of pain and distress is hard to gage in patients when they suffer. The key for patients and their loved ones is to give immediate metrics when they are in pain. It is very hard for people who suffer though.

Usually, you state when the pain started, how long you have been having the pain, what if feels like and where it is. They staff undergoes several tests then send you on your way...

This is the key: maybe they should have not sent her on her way...

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You are right. The measurement of pain and distress is hard to gage in patients when they suffer. The key for patients and their loved ones is to give immediate metrics when they are in pain. It is very hard for people who suffer though.

Usually, you state when the pain started, how long you have been having the pain, what if feels like and where it is. They staff undergoes several tests then send you on your way...

This is the key: maybe they should have not sent her on her way...

Agreed. After my bowel resection surgery, I was telling the nurse that the pain was a 10 and I needed more pain meds. She called my surgeon who said "Those Crohn's patients always think they are in pain, she's ok". THEN she called my gastro, who knew me well and had been treating me for a long time who told the nurse "This woman is a rock and refuses pain meds all the time, if she says she needs more, she needs more" and gave an order for a different med. It's important to have *someone* who knows your situation going to bat for you! But, my gastro knew the level of pain I'd been living with on a daily basis too.

It does sound like they didn't do quite enough to seek out what was causing the pain for this woman. I'm probably feeling more sympathetic toward her because I could see something like that happening to me before I was diagnosed with the Crohn's. Now, I think just saying "Crohn's" would cause them to check out more stuff if I went to ER with abdominal pain.

Realistically, if she died from being septic that quickly, she probably would have died anyway. She probably would still be undergoing diagnostics after a few hours and it's not easy to find a bowel perforation.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

And I'm guessing that you might take your kid to his or her regular doctor during the day when you realized that he or she was sick rather than waiting until the fever was that high.

This is one of those areas of reform that we do need to address. The whole it'd be cheaper and better for health if people saw doctors before it was an emergency situation, but you're only entitled to care you can't pay for if it's an emergency.

No I think I said:

But, I would also how my kid operates when they have problems. I would see how they "pay attention" to things, I would see how they eat and drink. I would make every observation I can to ensure the best health for my child.

The difference between lay people and me is I can go to Cecils, Harrison or MD Consult to get my answers when my child's sick--if I had a child

Moreover, I have the phone numbers of several physicians to run down their symptoms and can get "scripts" relatively easily.

As far as care entitlement, one is entitled to stabilization of their condition. I don't know? An emergency room physician would be a better person to ask. But, you cannot get quality of care through the emergency simply because in that situation there are other patients whose health situations are worse--like gun shot to the head victims... A tear in the bowels will not be known until blood, urine and fecal matter is lab tested before full treatment. Depending on that particular day, the patient can wait in the waiting room area or they can go home. Patients are free to decide their healthcare...

[OneTimeSBX]

i agree, not one person knows your body like you do. as a mother, i can tell when it is one of those emergency room visit type of illnesses. i always call the nurse/doctor on call before anything drastic. several times i have saved $ and time by communicating with professionals before doing anything drastic in a panic.