Dead Babies getting birth certificates

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I understand grieving the loss and leave it up to each family to decide what to call the event.

But isn't wanted a birth certificate a new dimension in government co-dependent weirdness?

Why would a government form make this experience any more or less real for the people who experienced the loss?

Exactly my point. A woman can say she gave birth to an alien for all I care. But the involvement of the government is the upsetting part. It's co-dependence and a forced justification.

-Rudey

[JWithers]

Originally Posted by Rudey

Exactly my point. A woman can say she gave birth to an alien for all I care. But the involvement of the government is the upsetting part. It's co-dependence and a forced justification.

-Rudey

But as PP said, on a living child's birth certificate, you are required to list ALL previous births, living or still. So why is this such a weird thing? If they aren't real, why do you have to put them the living child's document?

[carnation]

Some states must issue birth certificates to stillborn babies because I've seen several that say "This child was born __alive __dead on month-date-year".

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by JWithers

But as PP said, on a living child's birth certificate, you are required to list ALL previous births, living or still. So why is this such a weird thing? If they aren't real, why do you have to put them the living child's document?

I would assume it's because the document is concerned about the women giving birth, not what she gives birth to. But I don't know.

-Rudey

[JWithers]

Originally Posted by Rudey

I would assume it's because the document is concerned about the women giving birth, not what she gives birth to. But I don't know.

-Rudey

You mean like maybe a London Broil? Did you really just post that?

[AGDee]

My birth certificate and those of my kids are titled "Certificate of Live Birth", which we shorten to birth certificate when we refer to it. The name of it would have to change if it was not a "live birth". I do know that, in Michigan, there is a set gestational age for the necessity of naming a baby and issuing a death certificate in the case of a miscarriage/still birth. I'm not certain what the cut point is but the number 32 weeks is in my head.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by JWithers

You mean like maybe a London Broil? Did you really just post that?

Yes I did and as emotional as your comment may be, it's not valid and you know it. Perhaps a medical condition can arise from having too many births. Whatever it is. But whether the baby is alive or dead, or a long broil wouldn't matter in my mind. Forcing the government to do that is paramount to trying to get validity for a particular belief. And to me, that belief is disturbing because as James points out I find it strange that you celebrate a baby that is dead with a scrapbook and more. And as much as I want to say we're all entitled to our opinions, getting the government involved makes my opinion null and void.

-Rudey

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Rudey

Exactly my point. A woman can say she gave birth to an alien for all I care. But the involvement of the government is the upsetting part. It's co-dependence and a forced justification.

-Rudey

This is what strikes me weird about this as well. I know people have their own ways of grieving and dealing with things, but it seems a bit far to get the government involved.

[AlexMack]

Okay that's BS, I spent a good 20 minutes finding those links yesterday and now they're gone.
I'm reposting this one because I think it's relevant and a testimony to how crazy parents of stillborns can be:

NSFW
http://www.babyphotoretouch.com

This link contains pictures of stillborns, before and after photoshop. If you cannot handle looking at a dead baby or you're at work, do not click on it.

Also http://www.miscarriagesoflove.com

This may be NSFW, if only for the crappy music in the background.

This woman had 14 miscarriages and now she has a website dedicated to her dead fetuses (is it even a fetus at 7 weeks? because it seems like they all made it to 7 weeks and then died).

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Okay that's BS, I spent a good 20 minutes finding those links yesterday and now they're gone.

I agree. Nobody made anyone look. You were very clear about they contained, and it was closely related to a central issue in the thread.

Originally Posted by centaur532

Also http://www.miscarriagesoflove.com

This may be NSFW, if only for the crappy music in the background.

This woman had 14 miscarriages and now she has a website dedicated to her dead fetuses (is it even a fetus at 7 weeks? because it seems like they all made it to 7 weeks and then died).

I'm choosing not to look at this webpage, but I think anybody on here who prays should say a prayer for this woman.

[Munchkin03]

And it's not even good Photoshopping, either.

[Jill1228]

No kidding! It is difficult having 1 miscarriage (recently been there and done that) but 14?

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I'm choosing not to look at this webpage, but I think anybody on here who prays should say a prayer for this woman.