Sweethearts wearing letters?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Heh, no, I wasn't clear there - the CONCEPT of little sisters is cool, not that they expect sex.

If that's not the real reason, okay then; that's what I was told by my big sis.

Considering your big sis (unless you mean your biological big sis) was never on campus when little sisters were in existence, I really don't think she is qualified to speak on the matter.

Sorry if I'm bitchy about this, but some of my best friends in college were little sisters and I get really irritated when these old, untrue urban myths get brought up by people who don't know what they're talking about.

[fantASTic]

No, it's fine; that's why I brought it up, to see if that reallyw as the real reason behind it. Thanks for clarifying the real reason.

[Ohsass]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Considering your big sis (unless you mean your biological big sis) was never on campus when little sisters were in existence, I really don't think she is qualified to speak on the matter.

Sorry if I'm bitchy about this, but some of my best friends in college were little sisters and I get really irritated when these old, untrue urban myths get brought up by people who don't know what they're talking about.

I am a bit torn here because I do believe that the guys I knew specifically, probably had sex on their minds as well. For instance, one little sis rush event I recall clearly involved two guys at a check in table taking names from girls who wanted to be little sisters. If you paid attention, after you started to leave the table, the guys would drop your name either in the good pile or the bad, solely based on your appearance. Now realistically, you can't fault the guys entirely for wanting their little sisters to be attractive as they were a reflection on XYZ.

I do believe some of the guys were thinking they might get sex from the girls but that would also assume that the girls themselves had no say in the matter which would be an erroneous assumption. We learned really quickly which girls were "easy" and which weren't but that wasn't grounds for kicking them out of little sisters. Though we would at some point end up talking to them about it and the cloud that persons' behavior placed on the group. In my case, I did end up dating and marrying a brother but I can state factually that we did do many charitable events with the brothers.

I can not find fault though with the NIC rules established in the late 80's. I felt that most of their reasoning was intended to protect the brotherhood itself.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Ohsass

I am a bit torn here because I do believe that the guys I knew specifically, probably had sex on their minds as well.

Which makes them...college guys.

There's a difference between "hey, she's cute, I wouldn't mind having her around, I might ask her out" and "hey, if she gets to be a little sister, I can bang her daily." I can't think of ANY of the little sister programs on my campus that were run in the latter manner.

[A_T_O-Brian]

Originally Posted by James

I see one night stands wearing letters for the walk home . . ..

That happened to me one time actually....she kinda just grabbed it and it pissed me off. But ya our sweethearts get a jersey with our letters and then their sorority name stiched on it as well

[sylmellon]

As a Delt sweetheart at Tulane, I have an official sweetheart necklace the guys bought for me that I love to wear, but I don't wear any DTD articles of clothing. There's no really official chapter policy on it, but I would feel akward with the on-campus culture to wear one, unless it was maybe a sweatshirt that I borrowed while I was out with the brothers at an event or something. Occasionally, they'll have 'sweetheart' shirts printed that they give out to women at parties, etc... but they're very hot commodities on campus, and I've never been offered one - it's more of a recruiting thing. I'm sure if I asked for one, they'd be happy to get me a shirt that actually said 'DTD Sweetheart' or the like, but it's just never been an issue. Only occasionally do I see any other women associated with the chapter wearing letters, either - and again, it's usually only in the context of borrowing a sweatshirt with the intent of returning it shortly, etc. etc.

[Pi2theB2theKPhi]

At tech, the fraternity i am a sweetheart for buys us letters that are specific for rose petals. We get them when we are revealed and we are than allowed to wear any sewn on letters and we also get each of the rush shirts or philanthropy shirts. But girls that are lavaliered are not allowed to wear letters, only the sweethearts. There are other fraternities on campus that dont allow them to wear letters. In most guys eyes, girls can wear letters that any brother gives them except sewn on ones.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by Pi2theB2theKPhi

At tech, the fraternity i am a sweetheart for buys us letters that are specific for rose petals. We get them when we are revealed and we are than allowed to wear any sewn on letters and we also get each of the rush shirts or philanthropy shirts. But girls that are lavaliered are not allowed to wear letters, only the sweethearts. There are other fraternities on campus that dont allow them to wear letters. In most guys eyes, girls can wear letters that any brother gives them except sewn on ones.

That makes the most sense...sweethearts are picked by the chapter, but not lavaliered girls.

[Ohsass]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

That makes the most sense...sweethearts are picked by the chapter, but not lavaliered girls.

Amen! That is exactly what I've tried to impart here. Huge difference between one guy making a decision like that and the whole group deciding.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Ohsass

Amen! That is exactly what I've tried to impart here. Huge difference between one guy making a decision like that and the whole group deciding.

At many chapters men have to ask permission before lavaliering or pinning a girlfriend or fiancee. In that case, the group does have say.

[fantASTic]

Come to think of it, GeekyPenguin, I know of a few fraternities in which I have close friends where they must discuss and vote on the lavaliering of a girlfriend before it is allowed. Interesting.

[ZTA zetahunny]

I was a ZTA and an ATO little sis. I wore my ATO jersey almost as much as my Zeta one. The ATO was a silent bid..no Little Sister rush or anything like that. Do fraternities even have Little Sisters anymore? We were a great help at rush and I personally did a lot to end some of the hazing. I hid many a pledge in my dorm room when people were ready to do something extreme. Fun is fun, but way back in the 70s and 80s the guys were a little on the edge.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ZTA zetahunny

Do fraternities even have Little Sisters anymore?

No.

Read the rest of the thread...it's stated several times.

[ZTA zetahunny]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Considering your big sis (unless you mean your biological big sis) was never on campus when little sisters were in existence, I really don't think she is qualified to speak on the matter.

Sorry if I'm bitchy about this, but some of my best friends in college were little sisters and I get really irritated when these old, untrue urban myths get brought up by people who don't know what they're talking about.

I was a little sis in 76 and 77 and I was in no way shape or form expected to do anything. I didn't even drink the semester I was initiated..I think little sisters were to show guys on campus that abc fraternity has pretty girls who are regularly at their parties. We helped at rush with making small talk with the PNMs and I even remember having to do with someone getting "black balled". Most of the little sisters didn't even date the brothers, which the brothers confided in me was wrong. I resigned after I started dating the Pres of another fraternity. I wish I hadn't resigned.. It seemed like the right thing to do at the time.

[kathykd2005]

"Dagger Men" are KD's male form of a sweet heart. They are allowed to wear letters, but there cannot be more than five on campus at a time; at least, this is what I have recently been told.