Is this legal? Deactivated one NPC, now part of a new NPC.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by susan314

Do we provide SSNs to Panhellenic when signing up for Recruitment? (It has been 15 years for me, so I don't remember anymore!)

Maybe not for recruitment, but when you send in your NM paperwork, it's there. I realize that's a little late to catch people, and someone else could have had that spot, but it's better then not catching them at all.

[AnchorAlumna]

Yet another good reason to use the sponsorship system. Your sorority's alumnae from the candidate's hometown checks her out and writes the sponsor (AKA recommendation) form or letter. More than likely she will turn up whether the girl has been an initiated member of another NPC group. Not to say that some will slip through the cracks, but it would be another check. I personally would not give Panhellenic my social security number.
I really don't think it is that big of a problem. Now, I'm not saying that NO woman has EVER been initiated in 2 NPC orgs. People forget the rules. Perhaps the transferee really misses her sorority experience and wants to continue it. But I don't think it is that frequent a problem.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Yet another good reason to use the sponsorship system. Your sorority's alumnae from the candidate's hometown checks her out and writes the sponsor (AKA recommendation) form or letter. More than likely she will turn up whether the girl has been an initiated member of another NPC group. Not to say that some will slip through the cracks, but it would be another check. I personally would not give Panhellenic my social security number.
I really don't think it is that big of a problem. Now, I'm not saying that NO woman has EVER been initiated in 2 NPC orgs. People forget the rules. Perhaps the transferee really misses her sorority experience and wants to continue it. But I don't think it is that frequent a problem.

But this is pretty absurd for women who are from towns where most people did not join sororitys. I should be precluded from membership simply because most women in my town were anti-establishment hippies when they were in college? I find that troublesome.

[SWTXBelle]

The student has to be registered at the college in order to pledge. Colleges routinely use s.s.n.s to identify students - I always have to provide mine to get transcripts. I doubt that many students would lie about their s.s.n. to enroll in college - it would make it too difficult to get employment later. So, some means of cross-checking with the # is probably feasible.
Having said that, I don't think it is really that big of a problem. In this case, I would notify both NPC orgs. Perhaps her losing both memberships would be a good example!

[tld221]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

The student has to be registered at the college in order to pledge. Colleges routinely use s.s.n.s to identify students - I always have to provide mine to get transcripts. I doubt that many students would lie about their s.s.n. to enroll in college - it would make it too difficult to get employment later. So, some means of cross-checking with the # is probably feasible.
Having said that, I don't think it is really that big of a problem. In this case, I would notify both NPC orgs. Perhaps her losing both memberships would be a good example!

and again, considering greeks are at a university at their leisure, you think sschool officials have time to be cross-checking SSNs for every PNM during rush?

also, many colleges are moving away from using SSNs as ID#s. NYU had a whole big to-do about it a couple years ago. doesnt mean they still dont have my SSN.

[AGDee]

You've got to think about the ROI here. First, creating a database that's going to hold information about probably half a million people. (I'm just guessing at a number here, based on an approximate number of new members we get in Alpha Gam annually, plus some, because we have fewer chapters than a lot of NPC's and multiplying by 26 NPC groups times four because they are in college for about 4 years). Someone has to add in 3000-5000 new members per year per NPC. This database has to be accessible by ___ ?? Who would be able to add members to it? Who would be able to check it? Would you have one person at headquarters designated to check for each chapter? When do you do this? During recruitment on all PNMs? During their new member period but before Initiation? So, you have to figure out who has access to this database with SSNs in it. THEN, you have to ensure that this database is kept really secure so that they don't end up having to pay for credit monitoring for half a million women.

I'm not sure all that is worth it to catch a handful of women who do this each year.

[SWTXBelle]

But those who are stupid enough to do it and are caught - really need to be kicked out of their NPC GLOs!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AGDee

You've got to think about the ROI here. First, creating a database that's going to hold information about probably half a million people. (I'm just guessing at a number here, based on an approximate number of new members we get in Alpha Gam annually, plus some, because we have fewer chapters than a lot of NPC's and multiplying by 26 NPC groups times four because they are in college for about 4 years). Someone has to add in 3000-5000 new members per year per NPC. This database has to be accessible by ___ ?? Who would be able to add members to it? Who would be able to check it? Would you have one person at headquarters designated to check for each chapter? When do you do this? During recruitment on all PNMs? During their new member period but before Initiation? So, you have to figure out who has access to this database with SSNs in it. THEN, you have to ensure that this database is kept really secure so that they don't end up having to pay for credit monitoring for half a million women.

I'm not sure all that is worth it to catch a handful of women who do this each year.

Also, how do you know the SSN's are real? If a girl is going to lie about being initiated elsewhere, why not also give a false SSN?

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Maybe not for recruitment, but when you send in your NM paperwork, it's there.

Really? I'm not so sure that's standard practice for everyone.

I'm not in favor of a giant database for all -- I don't think it's necessary.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by TSteven

In this day and age, it would be simple to maintain. I would guess the start up might be a tad daunting.

Name: Doe, Jane
SS#: 123-45-6789
NPC: ABC
Initiation Chapter: XY
Initiation College: Big State University
Initiation Date: 01/31/2007

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

That much info wouldn't even be necessary...


Just have each group load SSN's under their name and if there's ever a "hit" the NM Ed. can contact the other group to confirm name, etc.

seriously - its nothing an excel spreadsheet, or even an access file cant handle. find a sister/soror who knows their Excel and put them to work!

ETA: yes, i know the feasibility of the upkeep would be monstrous, esp between semesters and between 26 orgs. but there has to be a better way of stopping stuff like this happening. or maybe HQ's on a whole figure they have bigger issues to worry about?