New Sorority on Campus?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also, if you think the proposals are all the same, how do any three chapters get chosen? Just random luck?

No, I don't think that. That is what I am asking. I know for a fact that the chapter in question was not an RM issue, and they have been gone long enough (10 years?) that nobody remembers their reputation. I also strongly suspect that they have alumnae support in the area, as much as the groups that were chosen. What else goes into the initial proposal?

I do know that the groups chosen all have nearby chapters, so that would be one mitigating factor, but the one with a house has more chapters at large schools.

I realize that we have not all seen the proposals, but my point is that there must be some sort of objective criteria on which the CPH is supposed to decide.

As far as lots of houses moving, I agree that it would be fairly easy to find a house to rent. However, it would take a sizeable chunk of change to buy a house large enough to compete with the other NPC's. Now, I have no idea if there is an advantage to renting vs. owning your chapter house, but I would think a chapter coming back to campus would not want to buy something right away, so that would mean they would have to rent, be sure the colonization goes as planned, and then move.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No, I don't think that. That is what I am asking. I know for a fact that the chapter in question was not an RM issue, and they have been gone long enough (10 years?) that nobody remembers their reputation. I also strongly suspect that they have alumnae support in the area, as much as the groups that were chosen. What else goes into the initial proposal?

I do know that the groups chosen all have nearby chapters, so that would be one mitigating factor, but the one with a house has more chapters at large schools.

I realize that we have not all seen the proposals, but my point is that there must be some sort of objective criteria on which the CPH is supposed to decide.

As far as lots of houses moving, I agree that it would be fairly easy to find a house to rent. However, it would take a sizeable chunk of change to buy a house large enough to compete with the other NPC's. Now, I have no idea if there is an advantage to renting vs. owning your chapter house, but I would think a chapter coming back to campus would not want to buy something right away, so that would mean they would have to rent, be sure the colonization goes as planned, and then move.

It is possible that the chapter you're thinking of (I really have no idea) did not send a proposal. But in 3 minutes I came up with several viable possibilities for why XYZ wouldn't be chosen. There are a lot of reason, and I'd be surprised if all of it is objective. If the members of the CPH are voting and these are a bunch of college students, there are any number of reasons why they'd be more likely to choose ABC over DEF, not all of them logical or sound ones.

ETA: Also I'd be that they'd go ahead and buy a house if available. (Or buy lots and build one) I can't imagine they're going to anticipate the colonization failing at such a level where they wouldn't need one.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No, I don't think that. That is what I am asking. I know for a fact that the chapter in question was not an RM issue, and they have been gone long enough (10 years?) that nobody remembers their reputation. I also strongly suspect that they have alumnae support in the area, as much as the groups that were chosen. What else goes into the initial proposal?

I do know that the groups chosen all have nearby chapters, so that would be one mitigating factor, but the one with a house has more chapters at large schools.

I realize that we have not all seen the proposals, but my point is that there must be some sort of objective criteria on which the CPH is supposed to decide.

As far as lots of houses moving, I agree that it would be fairly easy to find a house to rent. However, it would take a sizeable chunk of change to buy a house large enough to compete with the other NPC's. Now, I have no idea if there is an advantage to renting vs. owning your chapter house, but I would think a chapter coming back to campus would not want to buy something right away, so that would mean they would have to rent, be sure the colonization goes as planned, and then move.

Well, the only one that isn't one of the 3 presenting and owns a house on campus and "has chapters at large schools" just recolonized at a very large school just 3 hours from U of I. That could have affected that group's desire to recolonize at U of I and panhellenic's desire to allow then to recolonize. Colonizations take a crap load of alumnae support and money.

[SWTXBelle]

And, if my guess is correct, this sorority also is believed to be about to be asked to colonize later at a Texas school . . .

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Well, the only one that isn't one of the 3 presenting and owns a house on campus and "has chapters at large schools" just recolonized at a very large school just 3 hours from U of I. That could have affected that group's desire to recolonize at U of I and panhellenic's desire to allow then to recolonize. Colonizations take a crap load of alumnae support and money.

Particularly if a house is involved.

I still don't actually know what chapter it is (not gonna ask, I don't want to know)

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Particularly if a house is involved.

I still don't actually know what chapter it is (not gonna ask, I don't want to know)

The only NPCs not at Illinois right now are:

Alpha Xi Delta
Alpha Sigma Alpha
Alpha Sigma Tau
Delta Phi Epsilon
Zeta Tau Alpha
Theta Phi Alpha
Sigma Sigma Sigma

NPCs chosen to present are in bold.

So that should give you your answer, even though you don't want to know!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

The only NPCs not at Illinois right now are:

Alpha Xi Delta
Alpha Sigma Alpha
Alpha Sigma Tau
Delta Phi Epsilon
Zeta Tau Alpha
Theta Phi Alpha
Sigma Sigma Sigma

NPCs chosen to present are in bold.

So that should give you your answer, even though you don't want to know!

LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

But I don't know which one is colonizing elsewhere

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Well, the only one that isn't one of the 3 presenting and owns a house on campus and "has chapters at large schools" just recolonized at a very large school just 3 hours from U of I. That could have affected that group's desire to recolonize at U of I and panhellenic's desire to allow then to recolonize. Colonizations take a crap load of alumnae support and money.

Yes, they definitely involve much in the way of resources, but I think that is my confusion. Wouldn't the single largest expense be the purchase of a house?

The only thing I can think of is that the org in question didn't even send in a proposal, thinking their resources would be too thin with the other colonization.

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yes, they definitely involve much in the way of resources, but I think that is my confusion. Wouldn't the single largest expense be the purchase of a house?

The only thing I can think of is that the org in question didn't even send in a proposal, thinking their resources would be too thin with the other colonization.

Or maybe it was something else entirely. Sometimes a group may choose not to submit for many reasons that have nothing to do with potentially thin resources.

As far as expenditures, yes, a house can be the biggest line item, but there are other costs to factor in as well. Travel for the volunteers and resident consultant(s). Also, an organization may pay for the living and maybe educational expenses for resident consultant(s). If they are picking up these expenses, for how many RCs and for how long? Throw in the regular colonization expenses for customized PR items and community events it adds up pretty quickly.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What else goes into the initial proposal?

I realize that we have not all seen the proposals, but my point is that there must be some sort of objective criteria on which the CPH is supposed to decide.

I don't know if this helps, but the following general information is required by The University of Kentucky (UK) IFC Expansion Committee from any fraternity wanting to expand to UK. I would guess that collegiate panhellenic councils might have similar type of requirements as part of the proposals.

1. Number of alumni within a 100-mile radius of Lexington [UK];

2. number of colonization attempts in the last five (5) years, their respective status, and the names of the institutions at which they are located;

3. number of colonization attempts presently pending and the names of the respective institutions;

4. name of the institution housing the nearest chartered chapter of the fraternity and its status;

5. the ratio of field staff/consultants to chapters/colonies and the set visitation program;

6. reason for interest in colonizing at the University of Kentucky; and

7. status of housing corporation/alumni boards and plans for facilities in Lexington [UK].