Snap bids

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

If the snap bid comes from a group that cut you, there's a strong chance the girls would eagerly take a snap bid.

Come to think of it, I've never seen a snap bid come from a group that released someone. It's usually from a group whom the GIRL cut early on (which is why at my school they don't get accepted often). I know they can, but it's not something I've seen. Have you seen it in your UGA experience?

[UGAalum94]

Well, I don't really have any experience knowing how people actually got their bids.

But I think that when I hear reports of groups snap bidding up to quota, I think that they are offering bids to people they previously released because many of the girls who cut them would have either matched to other groups or still want to stand by their first cut.

I'm hoping that someone will step forward and mention cases that they know of at any school. It's weird though because the people who really would know probably don't feel comfortable talking about it because on some level it's MS. I'm kind of hoping for friend of a friend stories that people heard from girls who got snap bids.

ETA: Especially with the new release figures, there'd be a lot of girls out there that the group released who, if they didn't make quota through regular bid matching, they'd probably love to see again.

[ForeverRoses]

Maybe snap bidding has changed, but when I was in school (at Ohio University), snap bids came after everyone else recieved thier bids. So if a girl did not get a bid and was available for a snap bid, all the sororities had to wait until after a certain time. Then it could be a mad scramble to the doors of the available girls.

For us, the most successful snap bids were to girls who had a friend in the newest new member class. I remember one brand new new member being pulled off the lawn on bid day by someone from membership selection to go and offer a snap bid to her best friend (who had cut us after 2nd parties). 10 minutes later the best friend was on our lawn in letters and ended up being a great addition.

I guess you have to remember that sometimes a girl will cut ABC sorority not because she hated them, but because she can only go to so many parties, and ABC might be 4th on her list, and she can only go to 3.

[UGAalum94]

Thank you both so much for answering, and especially KSUViolet for providing so much information.

It certainly seems likely that a lot of snap bids work that way. I'm still interested to hear if they go the same way now.

Any maybe in a lot of cases it'd be too complicated to go back and offer a girl you released a bid. I'm tending to think in terms of girls the group liked but were below the few they could keep with releases. But maybe retroactively there's no way to know why someone was released: maybe they were released purely on numbers, maybe they were released because they were skanky. Nobody would want to take a chance on getting that wrong.

I've never been a membership chair or adviser of any sort, so I really don't know. I think I was probably happier as a undergraduate member not knowing any more than I did.

I was having a hard time figuring out how I was was hearing stories about more group having to snap to quota. Certainly, girls with a lot of invitations after first round do probably cut groups they like, it was just surprising that "enough" girls who had those kind of results were bidless after the whole thing.

[ASUADPi]

I don't know much about snap bidding, but I kind of remember years ago that ASU snap bidding occured right after official bids were given to the girls (but maybe not opened yet, I shrug my shoulders). I remember the girls getting a list and seeing if there was a girl that they wanted to snap bid.

Question: If a PNM drops can she still be snap bidded? What about a chapter just offering her a bid in the first place?

I've heard, through the greek grapevine while I was in college, that some PNM's would drop. They were legacies and they did try to rush but they really just wanted to go their legacy house, so they dropped. In the end the legacy house "picked them up". Can that happen?

[UGAalum94]

Hey, as I like to point out, I'm no expert. But I'm pretty sure girls who dropped out of rush CAN be snap bid, at least at Georgia.

In the example about girls from the legacy houses, do you mean that the legacy chapters cut the girls but then didn't make quota so they gave bid to the girls, OR are you asking that even though the legacy house made quota they gave them bids?

In the first example, sure I think the groups could give bids to anyone without one; in the second example, I think they might be able to if they weren't at chapter total, but they'd have to wait until after the end of everyone else's snapping to quota, I think. But if they were at quota and chapter total, I don't think they could.

[ChildoftheHorn]

I think that there are different systems here because I know of people who recieved snap bids after dropping themselves out of RUSH. The house liked them so much that they offered a snap bid to the girl, the girl dropped out of RUSH right before Pref Night.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

In the example about girls from the legacy houses, do you mean that the legacy chapters cut the girls but then didn't make quota so they gave bid to the girls, OR are you asking that even though the legacy house made quota they gave them bids?

Sorry, that I wasn't clear

What I mean is the legacy drops out of rush because she knows that she only wants to join her legacy house and doesn't want any of the others.

More curious if a girls, legacy or not, can receive a snap bid for dropping out of rush.

[jadis96]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Any maybe in a lot of cases it'd be too complicated to go back and offer a girl you released a bid. I'm tending to think in terms of girls the group liked but were below the few they could keep with releases. But maybe retroactively there's no way to know why someone was released: maybe they were released purely on numbers, maybe they were released because they were skanky. Nobody would want to take a chance on getting that wrong.

I know that snap bids on my campus were never offered if the chapter had dropped the girl for any reason EXCEPT numbers. If it was a case of her being dropped because someone felt she was not worthy of being in letters then she did not receive a snap bid from that chapter no matter what the quota situation was.

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

Maybe snap bidding has changed, but when I was in school (at Ohio University), snap bids came after everyone else recieved thier bids.

That is COB. Snap Bids are done as KSUViolet and ASUADPi said right after bid matching. Usually, it is before everyone disperses with the final list The only people who would really know if Sally Sue is a snap bid are the people in the room at the time and Sally Sue. She'll get her bid with everyone else and if she or other people say nothing, no one will ever know that she is a snap bid.

[gpb1874]

what aopirose said is correct. directly after bid matching, while everyone is still in the room (at least at my campus), we look at any unmatched women and see if those that did not make quota want to snap bid them. If someone is snap bid, it's often not a chapter they listed, although it could happen (if bid matching stops before all chapters meet quota except a couple and some women are left bidless due to how the process works).

If it's a chapter the woman did not list, Panhel would call and say "you did not receive a bid from the chapters on your list, but ABC wants to offer you a bid." ABC advisor may be present during that call and talk to the woman if she has any questions. The woman comes to sign her bid card before bid day festivities begin (if all works out well) and no one but the advisors know she was given a snap bid. I've only seen this done if the woman is on the chapter's bid list OR was really liked and ended up dropping out of recruitment. I'd assume the chapter would have discussed this possibility at some point during MS.

Here, women usually only self-release if they are sick, something serious happens (family related), they have a previous committment they cannot miss or they're called into work. They do not drop out with the hopes of getting a snap bid (usually 2 out of 3 chapters make quota).

In the example mentioned earlier of a legacy dropping out b/c she only wants her legacy house and just wants a snap bid at the end, she would be taking a SERIOUS risk. If that chapter gets to quota, she is screwed. The chapter could not hold open a spot for her during the bid matching process, even if they really wanted to offer her a bid.

I hope that makes sense. Let me know if it doesn't. There's a lot more detail that can be added, but I didn't want it to be too much info.

[mommamagnolia]

So is snap bidding different than quota additions? For example, quota was 58, but ABC actually takes 63. So are the 5 extra girls quota additions or snaps bids?

(sorry the pun, but this is all greek to me )

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by mommamagnolia

So is snap bidding different than quota additions? For example, quota was 58, but ABC actually takes 63. So are the 5 extra girls quota additions or snaps bids?

(sorry the pun, but this is all greek to me )

Your example would be quota additions. Quota additions happen when ther are women who have maximized their options throughout recruitment (i.e. attends 3 preference parties and ranks all 3 chapters) and they end up bidless at the end of bid matching. Quota additions are to match as many women as possible. A PNM will never know if she was a quota addition or not.

Snap bids are for chapters who did not make quota at the end of bid matching. They will have a snap bidding list composed of women who released them or dropped out of recruitment that either the Panhellenic Association or the Rho Gammas will call to offer a bid. This takes place before bid day festivities and she will open an envelope like everyone else.

CR(continuous recruitment) happens after bid day and chapters that either did not make quota or who did make quota and are under total can hold informal recruitment events and offer bids.

[seraphimsprite]

Snap bidding procedure really does seem to vary from campus to campus. At the school where I went to undergrad, we were given a list from panhellenic of the girls who either dropped out of rush or did not get a bid after bid matching. We then went through the list, decided who we would be willing to offer a snap bid to and had a member call them to offer them a bid. We did the calls after bid matching (so if they didn't get a bid, they had already been notified by their Rho Chi and usually given a heads up that they might receive calls from sororities offering snap bids) but before the actual bid day activities. So if a girl accepted our snap bid, we told her to come to the bid day field and she would have a bid card waiting for her. The only people who knew that she was a snap bid were the members who were on the snap bidding team and panhellenic.

At the campus where I was an adviser, my chapter didn't ever have to snap bid so I'm not quite as familiar with the procedure but I know it was very different from what we did at my undergrad school. Instead of the chapter members being responsible for contacting the women who were eligible for snap bidding, the greek advisers called them and let them know that XYZ was offering them a bid. What I'm not sure about is how it worked when there were multiple chapters offering a snap bid to the same girl. I believe the greek adviser would let them know that XYZ and ABC were both offering her a snap bid, but don't quote me on that...

[AOE2AlphaPhi]

At my school, I know a girl who cut a sorority before preference, didn't get a bid from either of the houses she preffed, and got a snap bid from the house she cut. The house that got her decided to give her the snap bid after they saw that her best friend would be in the house. She got her bid card with everyone else and happily went off to her house.