Harry Potter Speculation - Page 47

PinkRose1098 · #**691** 03-30-2007, 01:48 PM

I would love to know who the elf (looks like an elf) riding on Harry's back is! Plus, is that Gryffindor's sword from Chamber of Secrets or a new one?

MysticCat · #**692** 03-30-2007, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PinkRose1098

Plus, is that Gryffindor's sword from Chamber of Secrets or a new one?

Since there appears to be a ruby in the hilt, I assume the sword is Gryffindor's.

Drolefille · #**693** 03-30-2007, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PinkRose1098

I would love to know who the elf (looks like an elf) riding on Harry's back is! Plus, is that Gryffindor's sword from Chamber of Secrets or a new one?

Well we've met three house elves in person, Dobby, Winky and Kreacher. Neither Winky nor Kreacher would normally be inclined to help Harry, though
Winky probably falls under "good" where Kreacher falls under "evil"

However if it were Dobby on Harry's back, he'd be wearing several hats. That house elf does not show any signs of clothing.

Does anyone recall JKR saying that Harry was NOT a Horcrux?

lillady85 · #**694** 03-30-2007, 02:54 PM

I'd go read it on Mugglenet.com just to make sure, but I'm pretty sure she mentioned it (unless I'm confusing this with J.K.R saying Dumbledore is def. dead).

Drolefille · #**695** 03-30-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85

I'd go read it on Mugglenet.com just to make sure, but I'm pretty sure she mentioned it (unless I'm confusing this with J.K.R saying Dumbledore is def. dead).

I thought I remembered her saying it, but yeah I'll have to look into it. A lot of theories I was reading last night involved Harry being the 7th Horcrux and thus either having to potentially destroy himself and/or when he wins he loses his scar or something along those lines.

But I swear she said he wasn't

DSTRen13 · #**696** 03-30-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Thanks for posting that link. And in the comments from that one is another essay I believe.

I totally can't see her as a spy either, but it's crazy enough that it might just be true. How perfect is it that Snape is good and Minerva is bad? At the same time, I don't think Dumbledore would have been taken in by someone like that. That's been my defense of Snape all along. Dumbledore trusts him so he must be good!

If that essay turns out to be right, I am going to be really pissed that I read it!

CutiePie2000 · #**697** 03-31-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

It's all good. It's much funner to see them. I'm going to see if I can find a picture of the entire cover, front & back so we can see them.

I think if you go to this page here:
http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotte...lows/index.htm
You can see the picture in its entirety, which I assume would be the front and back cover, all laid out as one piece. You can also "mouse over" to see cool details and stuff like that. It looks like Voldemort is on the back cover, with a capey/hood thing over him!!!

MysticCat · #**698** 04-02-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Well we've met three house elves in person, Dobby, Winky and Kreacher. Neither Winky nor Kreacher would normally be inclined to help Harry, though Winky probably falls under "good" where Kreacher falls under "evil"

However if it were Dobby on Harry's back, he'd be wearing several hats. That house elf does not show any signs of clothing.

Despite the lack of hats, I think it must be Dobby. I think one thing that has been foreshadowed is that HWMNBN's downfall will come from cooperation between Wizards, Wtiches and other magical beings -- house elves, centaurs and goblins -- and will result in something of a re-ordering with better relations.

Quote:

Does anyone recall JKR saying that Harry was NOT a Horcrux?

I don't, and it would surprise me if she explicitly said so, since that would be giving away a plot point for Book 7. But I think she has already told us that he is not in Book 4.

SydneyK · #**699** 04-02-2007, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But I think she has already told us that he is not [a horcrux] in Book 4.

I don't remember that. I don't think Harry's a horcrux, either, but I don't remember anything about it in book 4. Of course, I haven't reread GoF for a while, so there's a lot I've forgotten.

MysticCat · #**700** 04-02-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I don't remember that. I don't think Harry's a horcrux, either, but I don't remember anything about it in book 4. Of course, I haven't reread GoF for a while, so there's a lot I've forgotten.

There was nothing specific about it in Book 4, but I think there was adequate information from which one can accurately deduce that V did not create a horcrux when he killed Harry's parents and tried to kill Harry. Don't want to get explicit here, though, unless people want explicitness.

aopirose · #**701** 04-02-2007, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat

There was nothing specific about it in Book 4, but I think there was adequate information from which one can accurately deduce that V did not create a horcrux when he killed Harry's parents and tried to kill Harry. Don't want to get explicit here, though, unless people want explicitness.

I agree. He was trying to kill Harry and I don't think that he inadvertantly created one "in" Harry. The creation of a horcrux must be a deliberate action since the steps to creating one are so heinous.

MysticCat · #**702** 04-02-2007, 11:17 AM

^^^^ Right. But there is something even more to the point in Book 4, I think.

CutiePie2000 · #**703** 04-06-2007, 07:28 PM

It's been a while since I read the book(s), so since... my memory is a lil' foggy, please feel free to enlighten me.

You get a horcrux by "tearing a piece of your soul off", yes? (i.e. the little piece of "soul" would be the horcrux)

I'm thinking that the scar *is* a horcrux, or has a "horcrux living in it"..... there's been too much of an "ado" about Harry's scar since page 1 of the books, for the scar not to be something hugely significant. And basically, my belief is that, if a "chunk of Voldemort (i.e. the horcrux)" is residing in Harry's forehead scar, the only way for Voldemort to "get at it", is either for Harry to die (and this would thereby "release the horcrux") or for Voldemort to die (and then the horcrux would die too, since the "Main Voldemort" would be dead). My theory/belief/paradigm is that now that the horcrux is "in" Harry's forehead, it cannot be retrieved unless Harry, being the "host", is dead.

lyrelyre · #**704** 04-06-2007, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

And basically, my belief is that, if a "chunk of Voldemort (i.e. the horcrux)" is residing in Harry's forehead scar, the only way for Voldemort to "get at it", is either for Harry to die (and this would thereby "release the horcrux") or for Voldemort to die (and then the horcrux would die too, since the "Main Voldemort" would be dead).

It is my understanding, it's been a while since I read the books as well, that the whole point of a horcrux is that you cannot die while one still exists. If the portion of the soul that is in Voldemort's "body" dies, the portion that resides in a horcrux can be used to "regenerate" Voldemort.

CutiePie2000 · #**705** 04-06-2007, 10:01 PM

Ah yes...I think it is coming back to me now. So, if Voldemort gets "killed off", he can "rejuvenate" himself with one of the several horcruxes that he made, right? (How many did the non-evil wizards believe Voldemort made? I think it was 6 or 7, wasn't it?)